• shakesbeare@beehaw.org
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    Can’t find it anymore, but I watched a Warframe video way back in the day talking about how there will always be a loot cave. It’s nigh impossible to make a game that’s so perfectly balanced that nothing is more optimal than another thing and players will always gravitate towards more optimal.

    Maybe you can say that one method produces just 1 more item per hour than the alternative, for example, but we’ll still all congregate there because it makes the experience just a little faster. Hell, even if you do optimize the loot cave out of the game, there will still be loot caves just because of human nature. Like even if there isn’t a difference, people will claim there will be and we’ll congregate there anyway.

    Imo, the best way to handle loot caves is to just intentionally change it each season or so, or deliberately lean into it so there’s a different loot cave for different types of gear. You can’t avoid it by removing them, I think. Because you can’t really remove them.

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      Yeah, I agree. As a long time Warframe vet, the game has consistently changed locations that are primary farming locations for particular resources or drops. Ironically, though, with the sheer number of resources and drops. There are quite a few loot caves for individual objects, which helps vary the locations one might find themselves grinding away at for efficiencies sake.

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        Would be nice if the game itself adapted and dynamically increased the rewards at unpopular locations. Then it’s about what others are/aren’t doing, not what the game currently is.

        Or maybe, different rewards per location per player, so everyone can find their own loot cave.

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          Mmmhmmm. Just imagine every few hours the game updated boosts to (for example) specific dungeons. If one has been popular then the nect interval you have a -10% loot and xp (number taken out if my arse). And these numbers posted clearly in and out of game. I think it wouldn’t take too long before minmaxers have identified breakpoints for when each dungeon is “profitable”. And not too long after that evegy dungeon would be about as profitable as every other.

          I wouldn’t mind at least trying such a system. Think it would be neat.

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    Almost all the build guides for Sorcerer use every single skill from the defensive node. Stuff like that indicates a problem with the class to me when players are ignoring the majority of offensive options in favor of 4-5 buff options boosting a singular skill to crazy he’s.

    Additionally the impression I’ve gotten from other classes is that several have 1-2 builds that are significantly better than all other options. You can’t get perfect balance, but the ‘best’ should ideally be only ~10% better instead of 40-50%

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      If I recall correctly that’s how it’s always been with Diablo. I’ve remembered each D3 season there was a different build for each class that would work really well. So while the content was always kinda the same, the game forced you to try other builds if you wanted to beat the highest difficulty level consistently.

      Looking at how uniques work at the moment they always seem to affect skills directly, groups of skills, weapon types or damage types. So if you want a strong build you have to get uniques that stack well and buff the same kind of tools you want to use.

      Logically you want to buff one damage skill to the extreme but since there sometimes are no overlaps and uniques are sometimes skill specific, you run into the issue, that a different damage skill just doesn’t do much damage anymore. This concludes in you essentially having to use actives and passives from your ability tree that also buff your one “super-skill” or boost survivability. Since you’re not restricted when it comes to buffs, the most logical choice is then to just fill all remaining slots with buffs or skills that activate buffing effects. Even mobility gets pushed out in high end builds for more damage.

      I don’t like it, but as soon as you make an effect that only works in one context, you have effectively ruined build variety because theorycrafters will just min-max the hell out of it. There probably is no good solution that helps build variety and at the same time makes uniques feel interesting and exciting. Because when everything is viable, unique effects will mostly just be stat boosts and thus boring.