• barsquid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    ·
    2 months ago

    Anyone else remember when new technology used to be fun and exciting instead of miserable?

    • lemmeout@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Long gone are the days when I used be excited to read update notes for new features… Now I just hope they don’t god damn force an update on me.

    • spyd3r@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      2 months ago

      Somewhere along the line, maybe the early to mid 2000’s they stopped making products “for” the end-user and flipped it around so the end-user (their data) is now the product, and the customers are governments, corporations, and share holders.

      • omarfw@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Because those shareholders (billionaires) and corporations drained the consumers of all of their money and now they’re the most profitable demographic to market to.

    • Rentlar@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      That’s part of the reason why new community oriented projects are way more interesting to me now than most software. There are some outliers in the space who still have dedicated people in their craft rather than for money but it is fewer and farther between.

    • loam@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 months ago

      Absolutely. Although, this is just making old technology worse because web 3.0 and AI aren’t performing to corpo expectations.

  • M0oP0o@mander.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    2 months ago

    Hmmm, so what you are saying is that I am just one ad blocker failing away from being productive in life?

  • MisterFrog@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    8
    ·
    2 months ago

    They’ve started serving ads when you skip backwards. Drives me fucking nuts.

    I was willing to use the mobile app with ads because the interface is slightly less buggy.

    Ad blocking on mobile web it is for me now 👍

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Yeah, uBlock Origin not working would take me from liking YouTube a fair bit to making it unusable.

        • I use Proton but keep legacy Gmail accounts around to ensure I still have access to accounts I may have forgotten about or people I knew a long time ago sending a stray email. The only other usage is logging into YouTube.
        • I use a Captcha solver extension.
        • I use uBlock Origin to block all their ads.
        • I don’t use their DNS.
        • I use DDG over their search engine and Firefox over their browser.
        • I don’t use Google Drive or their office suite (I think the latter is abysmal to use tbf).
        • I use DeepL over Translate.
        • I use NewPipe for YouTube on mobile and have a subscription to Nebula.
        • I no longer use Google Maps, opting for OSM instead.
        • I still use Android and unfortunately can’t unlock the bootloader but have degoogled as far as I know how, including never even registering a Google account with it (F-Droid + Aurora Store).

        YouTube is far and away the biggest means by which I interact with Google, and that falls off a cliff if I’m forced to interact with a mess of their ridiculously shitty ads every time I have to use it. uBO has likely saved hundreds of hours of watching ads over my lifetime (and probably thousands of dollars from not being subconsciously influenced by ads), and I’m not paying a subscription fee to such an unethical company to get rid of the ads. This would bring me from YouTube as a timewaster to YouTube only as strictly necessary. Even though I don’t support them directly through ads, I do support them by supporting creators I like monetarily, by sharing links and maintaining the network effect, and by giving them plenty of metadata by interacting with their service. If they do this, they ensure that I continue to monetarily support competitors like Nebula and permanently lose a grip they’ve had on me since I was a kid.

        • takeda@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Captcha solver add-on? Had no idea about that. If a captcha can be solved this way, why is still being used? What’s the point?

          • AVengefulAxolotl@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            To decrease the amount of spam. There is a misunderstanding, the same with anti-cheat. Captchas will always be solvable, there will always be people who cheat. The point is not to eliminate all bots / cheaters, but to only have to deal with a smaller number of them.

    • linearchaos@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      If it doesn’t I will make something that records the entire f****** stream and removes the commercials out of it the old fashioned way If I have to. Not my first rodeo.

      • ironsoap@lemmy.one
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Yt-DLP and it’s variation (Seal, YTDLnis, etc.), newpipe and it’s variation (Tubular, Newpipe Sponsorblock, etc) already allow you to do this without having to get manual.

        • linearchaos@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          And I use YTDLP now. At some point they will make it inoperable. I’m honestly surprised they haven’t sorted it out yet.

          • Life_inst_bad@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            “Seal downloader” from the Playstore and “Seal” from F-Droid are 2 very different apps. One is a a clone riddled with ads, the other one is FOSS goodness. You are free to guess which is which.

        • Donjuanme@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 months ago

          So you want someone to broadcast, and you’re willing to pay for it, but not willing to support the content creators in any way?

          • parpol@programming.dev
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            I would happily watch ads if they were non-intrusive and non-interrupting ads like side banners that don’t cause popups, or product placement inside videos.

            I would also pay for a platform where 100% of the money goes to paying for hosting and paying the creators.

            Neither of these things are happening, so yes, I would rather donate to support piracy.

        • pivot_root@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          Video content never changes, but the order and content of ads do. Automated browser, record the video 2-3 times. Diff the frames and slice out the ones that don’t match between runs.

  • Max-P@lemmy.max-p.me
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    2 months ago

    Soon: when you pause a video, it starts playing a video ad with audio, to make sure no silence time gets wasted from your speakers.

  • sentientity@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    ·
    2 months ago

    It’s excellent that alternatives and ad blockers do exist but we need regulatory action to hold companies accountable for things that are designed to worsen user experience to pressure people into paying. It’s also a serious accessibility issue, to increasingly have everything be bright and loud and motion filled and unpausable all the time. This trend goes beyond YouTube and it sucks, we need to regulate this nonsense.

    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 months ago

      It’s pretty stupid to introduce ads on the pause screen. Usually I would pause something because I am either:

      A) Being interrupted and need to focus on something else like a phone call or a family member talking to me, and wouldn’t be paying attention to the screen anyways.

      B) Need to leave to go somewhere else like the fridge for a snack and wouldn’t be paying attention to the screen anyways.

      Or

      C) Just want to take a break and want to do something else which involves opening another window or program and wouldn’t be paying attention to the window with YouTube open.

      In every scenario where I pause YouTube and add playing would not provide any value to the entity paying YouTube to play the ad.

      And in every scenario, if an ad began playing when I pause youtube it would cause me to mute my sound and/or turn off my monitor and just cause me to get super annoyed at YouTube or at whatever product is being advertised and how to never buy it ever.

    • erenkoylu@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      governments will not do anything that upsets the big companies like Google. Adblockers are are only defence against Google and others.

      • sentientity@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        Actually, good news, they have! Google just lost its search monopoly trial with the US government, and they seem to be about to lose their advertising monopoly trial too. The US FTC also just released a report (not a legal action) concluding that all the big companies have abused data collection and recommended that the government do something to make those practices unprofitable for companies. I know the EU has also been doing some significant stuff, both against apple specifically and big gatekeeper companies generally. You can certainly argue it’s not enough, and I would agree with you - but it’s given me some optimism that more action and real enforcement might be in the near future in many countries.

    • dezmd@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      2 months ago

      What a weird downslope of a take that will obviously result in authoritarian government power expansion and futher censorship.

      Just stop using it and support alternatives that dont do it. Have some self control.

      • sentientity@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        2 months ago

        People always say shit like this as if people don’t have a multitude of different life circumstances that affect and coerce how they interact with technology. That’s just how capitalism works. It’s not a matter of willpower. Privacy Bootstraps Theory is unhelpful. Being able to completely opt out of entrenched tech monopolies is a privilege. It’s great that you can do that, not everybody can.

      • xthexder@l.sw0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Name a single viable alternative to YouTube at this point in time. Alternative frontends don’t count, since they still rely on YouTube to work. None of the creators I watch upload anywhere else.

      • Cadenza@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Regulating capitalism = authoritarianism. What a weird take. Regulating capitalism =/= abolishing capitalism, this I can understand. But your take… wow.

  • tatterdemalion@programming.dev
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    2 months ago

    Don’t most YouTubers make more money with their own sponsorships than from YT ads? Can we start the mass migration to PeerTube already?

    • noodlejetski@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      I don’t think Peertube would handle mass migration of Youtube creators, unless each and every one of them set up their own instance.

      • L3ft_F13ld!@links.hackliberty.org
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        I’d honestly be curious to see how that plays out. Every creator hosts their own content while strengthening and spreading the Peertube network.

        I feel like that would quickly solidify it as a viable alternative.

          • Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            2 months ago

            In time the technical knowledge requirements may be reduced. I could see a small company selling pre-setup media servers with a couple TB of storage. Just plug it in, load up your videos and your basically done.

            And if you don’t have comments/users, there is little that needs to be maintained.

            It’s not perfect, but there will eventually be a point where YouTube becomes so enshitified that people begin to switch to alternatives.

            • pathief@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              2 months ago

              Nah, your ISP doesn’t give you enough bandwidth to host your own mini YouTube. You vastly underestimate the bandwidth required to run the service. It’s massive, which is why PeerTube is having a hard time gaining traction.

        • where_am_i@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          This, my friends, is a classic lemmy argument: “how about someone whom I already don’t pay anything go and do more work for less pay, so I can enjoy my content free, without ads, and don’t need to bother with an AdBlock”.

          How about, you, anon, set up a server, provide a simple upload API, and convince your favorite content creator to upload there? Since it’s no costs for them and very little work, they might. Maintain that for a year, then we’ll talk.

          • figaro@lemdro.id
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            Then realize that YouTube was losing billions every year for over a decade, and that their current model is the only way it can be profitable for them 😅

  • Kyrgizion@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    2 months ago

    This already happened. People looking up CPR instructions because a loved one is dying, only to be met with three unskippable ads.

    Goodbye Meemaw.

    • Lord Wiggle@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      2 months ago

      Yeah, that may be so, but priorities man. Priorities! Think of our profits man! In this harsh economy, ever ad counts! We’re only controlling 90% of the internet while we strive for 100%. That’s 10% short. 10%! We only had a revenue of 305 billion in 2023 which is not nearly enough to cut down on ads. Billionaire lives matter man! Come on, everybody, say it all together: Make millionaires billionaires again! Billionaires first! Meemaws don’t consume enough anyway. Screw her. By the way, want some penis enlargement pills?

    • retrieval4558@mander.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Not defending YouTube here, but CPR is so time sensitive that if they were looking up instructions, she was a goner anyway.

      • YeetPics@mander.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Hey look, a blatant lie disguised as a fact!

        I wonder how this furthers your agenda…

      • baru@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Have you had CPR training? What you stated isn’t true. Every second counts. But looking up instructions and seeing a easy video will still help massively.

        • retrieval4558@mander.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          5 days ago

          Yes in fact I teach it and do it regularly. Out of hospital cardiac arrest survival rates are atrocious even when the person performing CPR is properly trained, let alone a panicked person trying to look up instructions on YouTube.

          And I’m 100% not saying that a person shouldn’t attempt to do CPR in this scenario, just saying that any realistic scenario where the compressor is trying to look up instructions in real time is bound to fail. That’s why I volunteer my time teaching community members how to do it properly, even if it’s hands-only CPR (eg no rescue breaths)

        • GiveMemes@jlai.lu
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          2 months ago

          Exactly. It takes over a minute for permanent brain damage from a lack of oxygen, and it can take several, several minutes before actual death.

          CPR started anytime within that range will help keep the person alive, as you are literally forcing their body to intake oxygen and pump the blood.

          If you find someone without a heart beat and they aren’t already cold then call 911 and start cpr

    • Copernican@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Proof? Aren’t there classes of videos non monetized on youtube? When I just google search for cpr and find the american red cross I quickly found written instructions as well as a youtube video that doesn’t appear to have any ads. Isn’t the problem that some video creators intentionally create videos for CPR in hopes of monetizing?

      • dch82@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/83733719?hl=en

        This means as a creator that’s not in YPP [Youtube Partner Program], you may see ads on some of your videos. Since you’re not currently in YPP, you won’t receive a share of the revenue from these ads, though you’ll still have the opportunity to apply for YPP as you normally would once you meet the eligibility requirements.

        • Copernican@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          Thanks for the checking. I think the whole argument is pretty wild and specious, and factually suspect, that someone died because a person couldn’t look up the cpr video on time. YouTube is not a platform that is meant to deliver on demand life saving training. In NYC all the restaurants and workplaces have signs up in designated areas with instructions on how to do cpr. I suspect someone is going to more quickly look up written instructions or infographics if they need to Google. But really, this just speaks to the importance in staying up to date on CPR practices and having school and HR classes that teach this on a recurring basis. Using this as an argument against all ads is kind of nuts.

          Also, the first step of most CPR instructions is call 911. So if you follow instructions, how are you watching a video on the phone? And can’t the operator coach you through the steps? https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/cpr/performing-cpr/cpr-steps

    • interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      You’re joking but infinite growth is the broken basis of our financial system. Shareholder are legally entitled to request growth.

      YouTube has cornered the earth market, they have practically no room to grow, the only thing they have left is to increase the revenue per view, so ad stuffing will get worse quarter after quarter. Eventually they’ll have to put ads in the ads and play them 5 at a time.

      • TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        And yet people still say “if you don’t like ads, pay up” as if getting ads in a subscription is not a matter of time, like it’s happening to streaming.

  • someguy3@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    Like way to kill your platform for anything educational where you want to pause to look at a graph.

    • Copernican@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 months ago

      Look at the article linked to it. It has a render of a pause ad being a banner that shrinks the video player somewhat, but the paused video is viewable.

        • Copernican@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          YouTube wants you to keep watching the videos. The more time you spend on the site the more ads you see. They care about finding the balance of acceptable ad load to maximize ad space, which requires a consistent user base. I have faith that this is their objective. Also, videos take time to load and a user hitting pause is unpredictable. A light weight display ad is probably the best technically feasible way to grab a user’s attention in that brief moment of hitting pause. Especially when pause means a user wants to mute audio to do things like take a phone call, a video would turn off users to the platform.

    • woelkchen@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      2 months ago

      I’d rather see them on pause screen than interrupting the playback but because we can’t have any nice things, interruptions will also only get worse.

      • Grenfur@lemmy.one
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        Yeah, I guarantee you google isn’t interested in showing you one or the other. They want the revenue from both. My only question is, if you pause an ad, can you get another ad in your ad?