• kbotc@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Here’s a fun “tickle your brain” moment. How many Israelis are descendants of ethnically cleansed Jews from other middle eastern states? The other half of the catastrophe that Hamas supporters really don’t want to talk about.

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      Yes, europe making a colony of the people it ethnically cleansed to do their dirty work on an entirely different set of people is really gross, glad we agree.

      Israel could stop being an ethnostate, instead of disenfranchising non-jews and sterilizing non-white jews.

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        Isn’t just about 20% of the Israeli population Arab? Again: Europe didn’t ethnically cleanse the Middle East. That’d be the belligerents of ‘48 who went from sizable Jewish populations to populations you can count on a hand. You know, a good ol’ fashioned ethnic cleansing.

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          Isn’t just about 20% of the Israeli population Arab?

          do they get to vote the same as Jews?

          Europeans are just projecting their guilt and instrumentalizing the very people they ethnically cleansed to do their dirty work. It’s sick.

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            Yes… If you’re an Israeli citizen, you’re an Israeli citizen. There’s a sizable proportion of Arabs in Israel, particularly East Jerusalem who chose to hold Jordan citizenship rather than Israeli, and cannot vote.

            Shit, if the Palestinian Arabs who could vote, did, Bibi would likely not be in power and things may have turned out differently.

            https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/10/18/arab-citizens-of-israel-hold-the-key-to-next-months-election/

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              Just gotta change the war machine bombing your families from the inside with hope and change. got it.

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                … You don’t understand this conflict at all, do you? Bibi’s a bastard, but if eligible-to-vote Arab citizens of Israel showed up to vote against the shitheels anywhere near as well as the shitbag American Christian settler contingent, his party could not have formed a government and, since he is currently charged with corruption, his competitor parties wouldn’t have fallen in line to give him a joint government.

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                  I don’t really see how participating in electoral democracy fixes the problem of settler conquest. The state has lost all legitimacy in a lot of peoples eyes and I don’t blame them for not wanting any part of it.

                  I don’t blame people for resisting occupation.