Pretty sure the actual CP played a bigger role in the sentencing
CP? What does that mean?
Child pornography.
I know people should usually google things, but that’s not something that someone should really have in their search history! Lol
They should become a Republican speaker. Then they’ll get a TON of support from the Protect The Children crowd!
Or a pastor so the church can relocate them to a fresh batch of victims.
why the FUCK
Pedos are gonna pedo.
Jesus fuck
Blocking any/all users of the “it’s just art” and the “no kids were actually used so it’s not child pornography” crowds.
Christ, the comments just kept getting worse.
I mean for people that are providing a moral defense of this? Yeah, no, fuck them into the sun.
But from a legal perspective, that’s kind of the problem isn’t it? Because no kids are involved in the actual production of the images, this creates a huge legal question - isn’t this constitutionally protected in countries that have Freedom of Expression/Speech?
I mean this is obviously vile and this person is a danger to children… but would this be illegal in the USA and Canada and other countries that have freedoms that make it very difficult to prosecute this kind of speech?
There’s also the wrinkle that it’s being made of real people. Not just that it’s kids in general, but real, actual, specific kids. Most countries have some form of “use of likeness” protections, but that’s essentially making this into a copyright dispute, and a pretty grey one at that.
Not sure what laws the states or Canada have, but it’s considered child pornography if it’s a depiction of CSA, regardless of whether it’s an adult acting, or cartoons, or AI. I suspect at least some states in the US have similar laws.
I dont mind loli hentai but thats as far as im ok with the moment it looks real its a problem imo.
That’s an extremely limited take on it that I would expect from Sunday rags. “I have made up my mind, and since I decide, I will simply make sure that nobody gets to discuss this.”
Thanks, reddit, can you fuck off back there now?
Sorry we’re not interested in discussing child pornography as art, because we’re not disgusting pedophile apologists.
We aren’t making sure no one discusses this, you can have your nuanced discussions about child pornography with other pedophiles and pedo apologists, you won’t be having it with us.
This is so tiring. You’re just a fascist in disguise. You could belong to either side. The sheer fact that you are so easily flipped out over any topic of conversation makes it impossible to communicate either which way.
He used a web based stable diffusion to generate CP. Absolute genius level move 😂
You would be surprised how many absolutely idiotic Pedos are out there
People in general really. Some of the stuff your average person does on the internet and their devices absolutely stumps me, and I’m not even that tech savvy.
In this case there are several crimes, but in the other one mentioned about a korean there is nothing, only possession of generated content arguing that there is high realism (someone could say the same even of a sketch). To imprison for acts that have neither victims nor any harm either directly or indirectly, is more aberrant than possessing that.
PS: I’m just talking about legality and rights, I know it’s controversial and I’m sure someone has something to argue against it, but if you’re going to accuse me of being a pedo just get lost you moron.
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If you have AI pornography of children, regardless of there being no real victim- you’re a fucking pedo.
Period. End of argument.
Get help.
It’s basically the same as drawing it. I think most countries legislate against this already
Criminalizing the creation, possession, or viewing of entirely artificial artwork is beyond unethical; it’s extraordinarily evil.
No it isn’t.
I don’t care if you find someone’s artwork gross, troubling, distasteful, immoral, etc… that’s art.
No, it’s child porn.
Careful, any time I point this out, the fascists come out of the woodwork to call me a pedo.
Can’t imagine why.
You realise the AI is being trained on pictures of real children, right?
So it’s wrong for it to be based on one child, but according to you the AI “art” (as you keep calling it) is okay as long as there are thousands of victims instead?
So you’re cool with images of 6 year olds being penetrated by a 40 year old as long as “tHe Ai DrEw iT sO nObOdY gOt HuRt”? I guess you could just set it as your desktop and phone wallpaper and everything would be fine. Let me know how that works out for you.
That’s some stunning mental gymnastics right there.
You realise the AI is being trained on pictures of real children, right?
Can you share a source? Just like how people utilize the internet to distribute CP, there are undoubtedly circles where people are using ml for CP. However my understanding is that by and large, popular models are not intentionally trained on any.
I am categorically not researching that.
Put it this way…
The pedofiles that are smart enough to not get caught and use technology like tor and encrypt everything and can figure out how to use stable diffusion will be the pedofiles that have custom models trained on real children.
And if you and me consider the possibility in a casual conversation online, they have also considered the possibility, heavily researched and implemented it if it’s at all possible. And they know how to not get caught.
But it’s okay, it’s “art” after all and we can’t ban art because that’s evil… Right… Right?
…okay, seeing as you haven’t actually done any research, yet arrived at a conclusion, a conversation about this is going to be difficult.
Let’s get more specific so we can have an actual conversation. When you say “the AI”, what do you mean? Dall-e, midjourney, or some guy training and using their own model on a local computer?
Are you familiar with large models being able to compose concepts they’ve seen, to produce something not found in its training data?
What on earth makes you think I wish to have an extended conversation about this?
Child porn is not art. Even if AI made it.
Banning child porn is not immoral or evil.
Simple as that.
If you cannot accept that basic premise then I have nothing to say to you.
I have said literally nothing about ethics.
You used a technical assertion in your argument. Out of curiosity, I wanted to learn more and asked you for sources.
You can neither prove nor are you capable of discussing said technical assertion. I am now going to leave the conversation. Seeing as you can’t prove or even discuss it, I’d hope you avoid using it in the future, or at least learn more about it.
I know you know this, but you are not crazy. I’m astonished you are being down voted so hard. The pedo apology is so strong it’s making me not want to use Lemmy. This thread is worse than reddit.
Terrifying.
People getting way overexcited about AI at the moment. If a crime or perceived crime even remotely is related to AI it becomes the main focus.
Like the person who was hit by a self-driving car, the case was really about a hit and run drive that it hit the pedestrian first and throwing them into the self-driving car. Have the self-driving car not been there and it had been a human driver pretty much the same thing would have happened but they focus on the AI aspect.
If I used an AI to commit fraud it was me that committed the fraud not the AI but you can be damn sight certain that people would get hung up on that aspect of the case and not the me committing a crime bit.
It’s the same as when Ford invented the transit van (I have no idea what the equivalent in the US market was). It was faster than most cars at the time, could carry heavier loads, and was physically larger. Inevitably it got used in a lot of bank robberies because the police literally couldn’t keep up with it. And people started talking about maybe having a performance limit on vehicles, when really the actual solution was that everyone else just needed better cars. If they had actually implemented a performance limit, they would have held us back.
What exactly is your point about the CSAM AI Models by saying any of that?..
I thought it was obvious but ok I’ll explain it to you. The story isn’t really about AI, it involves an AI but really that’s got absolutely nothing to do with the crime that was happening, so why we obsessing over it?
The guy committed a crime. And also as a separate event he used AI.
The AI did not enable him to commit the crime, the AI did not make the crime worse, the AI did not make the crime possible, and he did not use the AI to plan the crime. The use of the AI was entirely incidental to the crime.
Your first passage about criminalizing art is 100% correct and 100% irrelevant. You cannot call porn art. Porn with adults, children, dogs, pumpkins - all that stuff is made for people to get off, not enjoy the emotions that real art provokes in people. Therefore we cannot compare criminalizing porn with criminalizing art.
There are edge cases, of course, when art might be provocative and considered immoral, and maybe even illegal sometimes. But that would be edge cases, highly debated.
A bit sensationalist there - article states he’d videoed minors in sexual acts. Probably what got him his well deserved prison stint.
Though I must say, the AI part alone should be enough to rule him out of a career around kids!
I missed that paragraph when I skimmed the article. Thanks!
The trial evidence cited by the government includes a secretly-made recording of a minor (a cousin) undressing and showering, and other videos of children participating in sex acts.
Edit: also, I wondered how he got caught, but this was probably how.
Wtaf are these comments.
Go home you sick fucks.
It’s worse than reddit up in here. At least the psychos calling AI CP “art” would be met with comments that would be upvoted even more, not down voted into the negatives.
I’ve been reporting them. That shit can go back to Reddit where it’s encouraged.
The lemmy.world instance is a strong proponent of this vibe I’ve found.
Disgusting to know just how many people are sad, disgusting pieces of shit. CSAM is CSAM, virtual or real. The distinction does not matter.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
“As a child psychiatrist, Tatum knew the damaging, long-lasting impact sexual exploitation has on the wellbeing of victimized children,” said US Attorney Dena J.
The trial evidence cited by the government includes a secretly-made recording of a minor (a cousin) undressing and showering, and other videos of children participating in sex acts.
“Additionally, trial evidence also established that Tatum used AI to digitally alter clothed images of minors making them sexually explicit,” prosecutors said.
“Specifically, trial evidence showed that Tatum used a web-based artificial intelligence application to alter images of clothed minors into child pornography.”
In prepared remarks [PDF] delivered at a US Senate subcommittee hearing earlier this year, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said, "GPT-4 is 82 percent less likely to respond to requests for disallowed content compared to GPT-3.5, and we use a robust combination of human and automated review processes to monitor for misuse.
A recent report from investigative organization Balkan Insight says groups like Thorn have been supporting CSAM detection legislation to make online content scanning compulsory in part because they provide that service.
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I look forward to the inevitable news story about an inmate crushing his skull with an exercise weight.
Yeah but they won’t report on that.
