Global Palestinian solidarity demonstrations are getting bigger, but whether taking to the streets will make a difference to government policy is up for debate, writes Riley Stuart.
They are both radicalized. But only one of them is being bombed to the stone age. If you do not see this litlle detail… Maybe i’m not the only with a bias.
At least mine is against dead children, what is yours?
Dead children you say? There’s dead children on both sides. Only one side has dead children that are collateral damage. The other side has dead children who are purposefully targeted, molested, tortured, and executed by their opposition’s elected government. If that’s not clear enough for you, then I’ll just plainly say it. Hamas rapes, tortures, and murders children. Israel kills children in airstrikes, and I have seen no reliable evidence or confirmation from third-parties that those children are not the intended target. On the other hand, hundreds of international forensics experts have confirmed the atrocities committed by Hamas.
Among the seven claims included in the X post, one stands out: No babies were beheaded.
But decapitated babies were found after the attack, according to both a group of Israeli and international forensic pathologists and Haaretz’s own reporting.
A group of 200 forensic pathologists, anthropologists, radiologists and other experts from Israel, the U.S, Switzerland, New Zealand and elsewhere gathered at the National Center for Forensic Medicine in Tel Aviv to help identify remains from the Israsel-Hamas war.
They reported on Oct. 16 that victims of the Hamas attack were executed, bound and burned alive, and others were found decapitated – many of whom were babies. However, they said it was difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death.
I’m against dead children on both sides. But I’m not in any position to actually do anything about it. The harsh reality is that we’re in this mess because people like you put pressure on politicians to act irrationally. For decades, Israel hasn’t been “allowed” to properly deal with terrorist organizations and the Palestinians have not been forced to take reasonable two-state solutions. So that’s lead to their radicalization over time.
If you truly care like you say you do, then you need to educate yourself. The death will only stop when all major terrorist organizations are slaughtered, Israeli radical groups like Likud are removed from power, and Palestinians forced to accept a two-state solution at any cost. Until the international community steps in to do this, then the death will continue and you will have only yourself to blame.
You cannot “slaughter” a major terrorist organization, you starve it. IRA was not slaughtered, it ceased to exist when a deal was made between the populations.
Hate only generates hate.
I’m not against UN forces in gaza, nor denying that there is a problem. But carpet bombing is never a solution.
Ps: i think you are confused, hamas is not the government of palestine, just gaza (and not really a democracy). And Mahmud abbas already has shown himself open to a two state solution (
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc15042.doc.htm)
Taking the literal meaning of that, I can agree to a certain extent. But within the context of this conversation, I believe you really mean “Violence only generates hate.” History and I strongly disagree with you there.
Germany is one of the closest US allies and arguably the most important leader of the EU today. Part of how they got there was actually due to carpet bombing, interestingly enough.
I understand that Hamas is not the government of all of Palestine. But they were still elected. As for Mr. Abbas, you mean the guy who’s a Holocaust denier? The guy who allegedly helped fund the Munich Massacre? That’s the guy Israel should trust to implement a two-state solution?
Look dude, the reality is that “worst” case for Hamas, they only have near majority support in Gaza. A not insignificant part of the population wants to murder Israelis. How the fuck do you propose creating peace without massive amounts of violence? There are people who would happily murder a Jew if they had the means. And I don’t mean “means” in the sense that they could get away with it. Whether or not they get away with it in the “mortal” world isn’t of concern to them.
So yes, actually. A terrorist organization like Hamas needs to be slaughtered. They aren’t like the IRA fighting for independence. They are literally fighting for the genocide of the Jews according to their founding charter, founders, current leaders, and recruits. That’s an organization that must have its leadership wiped out to the man and closely monitored rehabilitation of members/conscripts at the very least.
The greatest flaw of the left is believing that in all cases peace can be achieved without violence. I want that to be the case, but the sad reality is that it’s not always possible. We all have free will. Some people choose to stubbornly cling to violence, and the only solution there is paradoxically more violence.
I would suggest to learn more about germany on the post war. It was not the war that ‘removed the nazism’ from them. It was a decade long process, with plenty of educational reforms.
If you want to read, i suggest: exorcising hitler
And in their eyes, yes, they are fighting for independence just like IRA was. They dehuminized the jews, as you are dehuminizing the palestinian people, and created a anti-semitic cult.
Regarding elections: most of the palestinian people were not alive, or voted, when the ‘elections’ happened (2007) as 75% of the population is less than 25.
But hey, at least you posted a foto of nazis… Thats something…
You’re totally right dude! We could have totally done all those reforms without any of the violence! We just had to ask Hitler, Himmler, et al to pretty please let us reform their country!
You’ve opened my eyes man. It wasn’t the German people who were racist bigots as a majority. It was just the Nazi party leadership. None of the SS or Wehrmacht soldiers were racist. None of the German scientists or engineers making lethal gases were racist. None of the German workers building weapons were racist. None of the German civilians and minor political officials who looked the other way and ignored the stench of dead bodies coming from concentration camps were racist. It was literally just Hitler and a few of his pals at Kristallnacht.
Fuck off you anti-Semite bigot. Hamas and the PLO have had programs to brainwash children into hating the Jews. There are motherfucking anti-Semitic sitcoms and children’s shows. This has been going on for decades.
It’s a government focused on brainwashing every generation to be anti-Semitic as best they can. Obviously not everyone falls for it, but many do. Asking politely and refusing to use violence will not solve this. It’s a fucking disturbing problem. An older generation of bigots using their power to try and turn future generations into bigots just like them.
I cannot blame someone who grew up in that system for how they are. But that doesn’t mean they should just be able to continue being a bigot.
Grow up. Do some actual fucking research for once in your life. You’re sick and disturbed if you think this is okay or can be solved peacefully.
Lol i’m sorry, maybe you didnt understand me.
They are both radicalized. But only one of them is being bombed to the stone age. If you do not see this litlle detail… Maybe i’m not the only with a bias.
At least mine is against dead children, what is yours?
Dead children you say? There’s dead children on both sides. Only one side has dead children that are collateral damage. The other side has dead children who are purposefully targeted, molested, tortured, and executed by their opposition’s elected government. If that’s not clear enough for you, then I’ll just plainly say it. Hamas rapes, tortures, and murders children. Israel kills children in airstrikes, and I have seen no reliable evidence or confirmation from third-parties that those children are not the intended target. On the other hand, hundreds of international forensics experts have confirmed the atrocities committed by Hamas.
I’m against dead children on both sides. But I’m not in any position to actually do anything about it. The harsh reality is that we’re in this mess because people like you put pressure on politicians to act irrationally. For decades, Israel hasn’t been “allowed” to properly deal with terrorist organizations and the Palestinians have not been forced to take reasonable two-state solutions. So that’s lead to their radicalization over time.
If you truly care like you say you do, then you need to educate yourself. The death will only stop when all major terrorist organizations are slaughtered, Israeli radical groups like Likud are removed from power, and Palestinians forced to accept a two-state solution at any cost. Until the international community steps in to do this, then the death will continue and you will have only yourself to blame.
You cannot “slaughter” a major terrorist organization, you starve it. IRA was not slaughtered, it ceased to exist when a deal was made between the populations.
Hate only generates hate.
I’m not against UN forces in gaza, nor denying that there is a problem. But carpet bombing is never a solution.
Ps: i think you are confused, hamas is not the government of palestine, just gaza (and not really a democracy). And Mahmud abbas already has shown himself open to a two state solution ( https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc15042.doc.htm)
Taking the literal meaning of that, I can agree to a certain extent. But within the context of this conversation, I believe you really mean “Violence only generates hate.” History and I strongly disagree with you there.
Germany is one of the closest US allies and arguably the most important leader of the EU today. Part of how they got there was actually due to carpet bombing, interestingly enough.
I understand that Hamas is not the government of all of Palestine. But they were still elected. As for Mr. Abbas, you mean the guy who’s a Holocaust denier? The guy who allegedly helped fund the Munich Massacre? That’s the guy Israel should trust to implement a two-state solution?
Look dude, the reality is that “worst” case for Hamas, they only have near majority support in Gaza. A not insignificant part of the population wants to murder Israelis. How the fuck do you propose creating peace without massive amounts of violence? There are people who would happily murder a Jew if they had the means. And I don’t mean “means” in the sense that they could get away with it. Whether or not they get away with it in the “mortal” world isn’t of concern to them.
So yes, actually. A terrorist organization like Hamas needs to be slaughtered. They aren’t like the IRA fighting for independence. They are literally fighting for the genocide of the Jews according to their founding charter, founders, current leaders, and recruits. That’s an organization that must have its leadership wiped out to the man and closely monitored rehabilitation of members/conscripts at the very least.
The greatest flaw of the left is believing that in all cases peace can be achieved without violence. I want that to be the case, but the sad reality is that it’s not always possible. We all have free will. Some people choose to stubbornly cling to violence, and the only solution there is paradoxically more violence.
Oh, the nazi card… I did nazi that comming…
I would suggest to learn more about germany on the post war. It was not the war that ‘removed the nazism’ from them. It was a decade long process, with plenty of educational reforms.
If you want to read, i suggest: exorcising hitler
And in their eyes, yes, they are fighting for independence just like IRA was. They dehuminized the jews, as you are dehuminizing the palestinian people, and created a anti-semitic cult.
Regarding elections: most of the palestinian people were not alive, or voted, when the ‘elections’ happened (2007) as 75% of the population is less than 25.
But hey, at least you posted a foto of nazis… Thats something…
You’re totally right dude! We could have totally done all those reforms without any of the violence! We just had to ask Hitler, Himmler, et al to pretty please let us reform their country!
You’ve opened my eyes man. It wasn’t the German people who were racist bigots as a majority. It was just the Nazi party leadership. None of the SS or Wehrmacht soldiers were racist. None of the German scientists or engineers making lethal gases were racist. None of the German workers building weapons were racist. None of the German civilians and minor political officials who looked the other way and ignored the stench of dead bodies coming from concentration camps were racist. It was literally just Hitler and a few of his pals at Kristallnacht.
Fuck off you anti-Semite bigot. Hamas and the PLO have had programs to brainwash children into hating the Jews. There are motherfucking anti-Semitic sitcoms and children’s shows. This has been going on for decades.
It’s a government focused on brainwashing every generation to be anti-Semitic as best they can. Obviously not everyone falls for it, but many do. Asking politely and refusing to use violence will not solve this. It’s a fucking disturbing problem. An older generation of bigots using their power to try and turn future generations into bigots just like them.
I cannot blame someone who grew up in that system for how they are. But that doesn’t mean they should just be able to continue being a bigot.
Grow up. Do some actual fucking research for once in your life. You’re sick and disturbed if you think this is okay or can be solved peacefully.
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See, now you say that i’m anti-semitic… Just because i disagree on how many children are “acceptable colateral”.
Have a nice evening :) i hope (no sarcasm) you and your family are safe, because plenty of others arent.