IDF says tunnel, outfitted with blast-proof door and firing hole, found alongside booby-trapped vehicle loaded with weapons

  • kescusay@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    No one should be surprised by this. It’s been well known for a long time that Hamas uses civilian infrastructure to shield their operations, and civilians themselves as human shields.

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        1 year ago

        Two things…

        First, as samokosik says, if it’s being used militarily, it’s a military target. But second - and more importantly - I never said Israel should bomb hospitals.

        There is no “should” in this clusterfuck. Everyone is guilty. Hamas happens to be the most guilty in all this, and should definitely be eradicated, but Israel should never have oppressed the Gaza strip or deployed illegal “settlements.” There is no good, clean solution now. Everything is fucked.

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        1 year ago

        It’s no longer a hospital but a relevant military target. You cannot blame Israel for the measures taken against this “hospital”.

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          1 year ago

          That’s a funny way to say “fuck civilians.”

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            That’s a funny way to say you have more moral clarity than the Red Cross.

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            1 year ago

            Hamas was “fucking civilians” for 18 years by building exactly zero shelters and radicalizing whole population

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              1 year ago

              Holy whataboutism, Batman, no one is arguing that Hamas is in the right here. What are you even trying to say with this? “Hamas ‘fucks civilians’ which makes them evil… so Israel might as well join in and ‘fuck civilians’ too”?

              Can’t we all just agree that no one should be “fucking civilians” for any reason, because you know, they’re civilians?

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                The protection of civilians is precisely the reason weapons and armed forces are usually kept far from ANY civilian infrastructure, especially hospitals.

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                  1 year ago

                  Yes, which is why turning a hospital or refugee camp into a command post is a war crime. But it also means that attacking a hospital or refugee camp, whether they’re being used as shields for military targets or not, should also not be done lightly. Iron-clad case made beforehand that it is a military target, rigorous scrutiny of the claim evaluated by an independent body after the fact, and the military action against the target has to prioritize the civilians as much as possible. They’re people. Men, women, and children who have nothing to do with the conflict and are simply caught in the crossfire. One side showing a disregard for the life of innocents does not justify the other side doubling down on the same.

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                1 year ago

                We can agree on that both sides should stop harming civilians. Just many people seem to forget the damage Hamas has done by radicalization of the whole population. Hence why you should never have your base underneath a hospital.

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          It’s no longer a hospital

          Tell that to the premature babies that were in incubators there. Or the patients who are still there because they aren’t well enough to be moved.

          Seriously, those are some extreme mental gymnastics you’re doing. Of course it is still a hospital.

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            1 year ago

            The doctors were Hamas! The patients were Hamas! And the premature babies? Also Hamas.