The mother of a transgender girl sobbed in federal court Wednesday as she contemplated having to move away from her Navy officer husband to get health care for her 12-year-old if Florida’s ban on gender dysphoria treatments for minors is allowed to take affect.
The woman, who testified as Jane Doe to protect the identity of her child, said her daughter went from being anxious and upset to a thriving, happy straight-A student after being allowed to live as a girl about eight years ago, a decision she made with her husband after multiple visits to their family’s doctor.
But as the girl approaches puberty, she fears she will start turning into a boy. Without treatment, she and her family will be devasted, the mother said.
The cruelty is the point. The evidence is clear. Transitioning saves lives, including in teen years. They waited to try to ban it until after the psychiatric community had come to a general agreement.
On a personal note, I’ve known teenagers who killed themselves or attempted over delays in transitioning until adulthood. It’s really fucked up.
The cruelty is the point. The evidence is clear.
I actually disagree that the cruelty is intentional. I think conservatives have proven pretty clearly at this point that they devote a considerable amount of mental effort to believing their views are correct, no matter what the data show. I think they genuinely think transsexuality is a farce, just like they believe homosexuality is a mental illness, and that they’re protecting children from bad influences by preventing them from transitioning. The problem is willful ignorance and lack of appreciation for critical thinking.
You’re half right.
They genuinely believe trans identity is a farce, but also, the cruelty is the point. They believe that children are being indoctrinated by Big Groomer, but they also believe those children are freaks and deserve to suffer because they’ve been tainted by transgenderism. They see us as diseased and anyone infected as filth that must be purged in order to protect the rest of the flock.
I think we’ve cracked the case.
There are likely very few conservatives who disagree with trans rights but don’t want trans people to suffer. So few in fact they’re probably not even worth mentioning.
Yep. The suffering will make people turn to God, and they’ll accept Jesus into their heart and ask him to make them cis hetero, and also bring them a unicorn for Christmas.
You are incorrect, they just think being a certain amount of correct in their mind excuses any amount of cruelty. Unfortunately, they’re completely fucking incorrect and still massively cruel.
The cruelty is the point. We can not let this become nationwide.
Fuck Desantis
Sorry for the family.
Fuck Republicans and their bigotry.
8 years ago she was 4 right? That seems quite young.
This ban is abhorrent, but uhhh yeah 4-5? I can remember when I was that old. I was in preschool/kindergarten. I could barely read. I cried because my best friend wouldn’t let me take his star wars toy outside in the dirt. I thought if I pushed too hard when I pooped my balls might fall out.
I was fucking stupid and would have gone along with whatever my parents told me to do. I literally had no concept of myself yet. At that age we are purely taking in the world, our parents want and try to control what goes in.
4-5 is when gender or social identity comes in really strongly and a surprising number of kids show their dysphoria for the first time. Its actually not limited to gender, a lot of a child’s first independent personality really begins to shine through at that age. Kids decide what name they want to be known by, what things they personally like and dislike, favorite color and food. All is subject to growth but this will often be the first set of preferences to set and stay that way for a prolonged time.
I’ve personally seen two kids begin their gender transitioning around 5. Demanding to be called a different name, insisting on a different pronoun, choosing more gendered clothing. Some parents choose to just let the kid do what makes them happy and go with it.
We begin forming our gender identity fairly young, and at 2-3, we do have a relatively simple grasp on gender, and broad concepts are pretty easy to understand. A child that asks you to call them a boy or a girl instead of their assigned birth gender isn’t even particularly strange! Children explore their identities in a lot of ways, from nicknames to the way they dress and act and play.
I have a 6-year old cousin who is adamant that she is a girl with some solid reasoning behind it, and she was never told any of it. She came up with it herself! I think you underestimate children, and maybe you underestimate yourself, too.
Yes, you could barely read at 4-5, but you already had a sense of identity. The fact that this kid has consistently identified as a girl from literally the moment gender identity develops is pretty strong evidence that she’s not just pretending to make the adults happy.
My wife first told her mother she was a girl at age 5. Her mother freaked out, told her she was going to hell, took her to church groups, and made her pray it out until she lied and said she was a boy now. She transitioned anyway in her 20s, and her mother and her no longer talk.
Trans kids are not pretending to be trans. Kids know their own gender, and it is both consistent and persistent. They only ever pretend to be cis.
Were you old enough to be bothered if someone pretended your gender was the opposite of what felt it was? What about if everyone did that? That’s what trans people have to deal with. You don’t have to have an academic understanding of a problem to be hurt by it, or to be treated for it.
You’re also implicitly buying into the narrative that parents, doctors, and therapists are conspiring to trick kids into believing they’re trans when they’re not. What kind of monsters do you think those people are, and what do you think they’d be getting out of it?
I liked wearing my moms heels and even put on makeup around that age.
I can see the current climate causing parents to think that means more than it does.
My mom was great, though. She always let me make decisions like these on my own and didn’t encourage me one way or the other to be something I’m not.
Similarly my parents acquiesced to my begging for a Barbie doll. My dad was worried it would be a gateway to his son pursuing unmanly things. But even at that early age what I was fascinated by wasn’t the fashion or playhouses but the idea of having dominance over a femme entity.
I still resent myself for it because I haven’t grown past that behavior, in video games I choose femme avatars to literally control them. Back when I still made excuses to permit myself to date, I would abuse my girlfriend by flipping the dresser around to face the wall while she was showering so I could control her access to clothing
I guess my point is that there’s a lot children can explore at an early age.
What do you mean “excuses to permit yourself to date?” Have you just… not have had therapy for your abusive nature? How do you deal with your “idea of having dominance” in public/at work? You wanted to be dominant over girls when you were, like, 4?
In short, what?
parents to think that means more than it does
I was playing Wonder Woman in the schoolyard as Wonder Woman. The guys beat me up so I mostly ran with girls. At 50 I learned to wear women’s clothes because they fit my skinny ass. I wore pink Oxfords to the office, way before it was cool.
And on the Kinsey scale, I’m so far to the hetero side it’s laughable. 50+ lovers, all women. Well, one time I let a dude suck my dick because it was a 3-some and I wanted to fuck his green haired gf. Got her all turned on!
(Serious clothing tip for my skinny boys! I look sharp as hell in a woman’s hoodie, jacket, whatever. Woman’s clothes cut in at the waist, fucking fit looking! Just got a Christmas gift from my company, picked a woman’s jacket in my size. Wife about fainted, couldn’t keep her hands off me.)
Someone please deal with Ron Desantis. He is a threat
He won’t survive reelection down here. Remember, Florida was purple not long ago. We voted Obama twice.
He slam dunked Charlie Crist last time, but Crist was a lapsed Republican turned Democrat. Not a popular move among either set of voters.
Desantis failed his Presidential run, and one thing Americans hate is a losing politician. He’s made a fool of himself again and again, attacked our largest employer, has zero charisma, all that and more.
We might well get another Republican, but it won’t be Desantis.
Glad they say trans healthcare instead of just healthcare.
That way we know what they’re talking about immediately.
Democrats will say anything to mess with kids. Thank God this ban is happening. Leave the kids alone champs.
So you think government should interfere with parents rights?
Interesting.
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