Hi there!
I need some help with my framework laptop and fedora. I want to switch to linux more permanently, but fedora does not enter hibernation properly when closing the lid. I dont care 10-20sec of wakeup time when opening it again. (even windows is more efficient?!) The relatively bad performance on battery life is OK for me, I already installed TLP instead of the default power management. But when closing the lid, the battery drains about 80% over night (10h?) which seems to be more than what other people reported.
I could not find a guide on this, which i understood (still a massive noob to afraid to mess up my carefully crafted linux partition :D).
If you have any advice I appreciate it! Thanks a lot! :)
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In first you need understand what type of suspend you use:
Suspend to RAM (aka suspend, aka sleep) The S3 sleeping state as defined by ACPI. Works by cutting off power to most parts of the machine aside from the RAM, which is required to restore the machine’s state. Because of the large power savings, it is advisable for laptops to automatically enter this mode when the computer is running on batteries and the lid is closed (or the user is inactive for some time). Suspend to disk (aka hibernate) The S4 sleeping state as defined by ACPI. Saves the machine’s state into swap space and completely powers off the machine. When the machine is powered on, the state is restored. Until then, there is zero power consumption. Hybrid suspend (aka hybrid sleep) A hybrid of suspending and hibernating, sometimes called suspend to both. Saves the machine’s state into swap space, but does not power off the machine. Instead, it invokes the default suspend. Therefore, if the battery is not depleted, the system can resume instantly. If the battery is depleted, the system can be resumed from disk, which is much slower than resuming from RAM, but the machine’s state has not been lost.
I think you use Hybrid suspend. Hybrid suspend store memory to disk (20 seconds lag) and then lost battery for memory renew. Need you Suspend to RAM maybe? 20 Seconds lag will fixed with that.
Then check
cat /sys/power/mem_sleepIf you see
[s2idle] shallow deepcheck first if your UEFI advertises some settings for it, generally under Power or Sleep state or similar wording, with options named Windows 10, Windows and Linux or S3/Modern standby support for S0ix, and Legacy, Linux, Linux S3 or S3 enabled for S3 sleep.
If you don’t see anything you can swap sleep mode to Suspend to disk. That slow but don’t use any power. Or try fix sleep status.
More information you can find here: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate
Thank you for your reply. It says:
[] deepI don’t think i have the swap partition, I will try to create that. Thanks!
Hibernation or suspend? 2 different things. For hibernation you need a swap space at least the size of your RAM, and then the laptop is powered off after this.
For suspend, in your dmesg, see if you have:
ACPI: PM: (supports S0 S3 S4 S5)
if you have S3 your laptop should lost only a few percent.
do a:
cat /sys/power/mem_sleep
what does it says?
New CPU/BIOS/PC/Laptop only support something called “s0 idle” meaning it is like a cellphone, everything is running, and each drivers/components/os should enter low power themselves, if they do not, well, your battery is draining.
S3 means “suspend to RAM”, only RAM is powered and everything else is off, your laptop can stay like this for days. I don’t know who decided that this is bad and your laptop should be like your cellphone, always running?!?
Modern Fedora doesn’t enable swap by default and configures zram instead. Of course, you can’t hibernate to zram, so getting basic hibernation to work involves either disabling zram and configuring swap, or using callbacks to temporarily disable zram and enable swap right before suspending.
Neither is very beginner friendly, unfortunately.
I’m assuming you’ve already found it, but just in case you didn’t: Framework has setup guides for Fedora, which presumably should make everything work as intended. Find your device on this page, then click “Fedora 39 Setup Guide” on the right-hand side: https://frame.work/linux
I just want to say, power management needs to be improved across the entire Linux ecosystem.
Hibernate in general has pretty poor support across all distros: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1146326/why-is-hibernation-so-complicated-on-ubuntu-and-other-linux-distributions This is also true across other OS, IIRC Windows also hides its hibernate feature.
Personally I just use suspend or power off.
See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate
You’re probably missing a swap position or file. Modern Linux distro don’t really support hibernate out of the box.
Also depending on ports you can have worse sleeping power draw. All USB C will give you the best battery life.
I have read this about the expansion cards and only use 2c and 2A. A bit stupid considering you can hack the hdmi port into suspending on its own… Did not expect this from fw.
I will check out the link, thanks!
IIRC framework is working on addressing the expansion card issue via firmware/BIOS but it’s been a while since I’ve seen any updates.
I generally lose 20-40% battery overnight with USBC and USBA in deep sleep mode. But I have set up hibernate in the past and had it working.
That is almost equivalent to 1h of browsing in Linux! :D \s Other expension cards are drawing about 1W of power, even without use! That’s crazy much I think…
Kinda true though. I wish Framework would focus on power usage a bit. As much as I love the concept and laptop the battery life is not one of its strong points. I’ve done a lot of tuning and squeeze about 6-7 hrs out at ~40% screen brightness.
In Linux?! That’s quite a bit. With heavy workload?
Yeah, but with a light workload (browsing, some videos, office applications). It lasts longer than Windows where I get like 5 hours.
Yo lol, that’s impressive :D
Did you set up a swap partition?
Which model do you have? There’s a known issue affecting the sleep/hibernate for the chipset on the new AMD model on the, I believe AMD has already submitted patches to fix it in the next kernel release though.
I have the first European batch
Hopefully this will make it in as an update for currently supported kernels, but if not it should be in the upcoming 6.8 release:
Am on Arch and hibernation is currently broken with systemd 255 in my case. They introduced a lot of breaking changes for it. It works after enabling some workarounds for dracut 059 but it completely does a full power cycle. Your best bet is sticking with suspend until systemd unfucks hibernation.
The best Linux is Windows 11 with WSL. It will work nicely with your battery.
Ew
Imagine giving away user control and privacy for more battery life.
Imagine buying an expensive thing and using 10% of its capabilities.
That’d be true if I were a Winblows tryhard. Thankfully, it’s not the case. :^)
I keep being surprised by how much the thought of wsl disgusts me
Controversial, but when it comes to hibernating the system, it actually is.
Unfortunately Windows suffers from the s0ix power consumption bugs that’ll drain your battery faster than Linux does, so neither is a very good experience. The current state of modern PC suspend behaviour is just rather terrible.
