Link to the summary of findings submitted by South Africa: https://apnews.com/article/un-court-south-africa-israel-gaza-genocide-71be2ce7f09bfee05a7cae26689ee262
South Africa’s 84-page filing says Israel’s actions “are genocidal in character because they are intended to bring about the destruction of a substantial part” of the Palestinians in Gaza.
It asks the ICJ, also known as the world court, for a series of legally binding rulings. It wants the court to declare that Israel “has breached and continues to breach its obligations under the Genocide Convention,” and to order Israel to cease hostilities in Gaza that could amount to breaches of the convention, to offer reparations, and to provide for reconstruction of what it’s destroyed in Gaza.
Agree. Especially pre-october.
But right now, the lines are blured. It’s why anti-semtic incidents, attacks, vandalism, etc. have spiked since the terrorists attacked Israel. And rhe most incidents of all occur at the “pro-palestinan rallies”, that turn pro-Hamas super easily.
Random selection for ya (pulled from Ground News high factuality sources, uses MBFC and a few others):
https://www.algemeiner.com/2023/11/28/horrifying-germany-registers-29-antisemitic-incidents-per-day-since-hamas-pogrom-in-israel/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral
https://www.timesofisrael.com/watchdog-finds-unrwa-workers-praised-hamas-massacres-in-internal-telegram-channel/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral
https://abc7chicago.com/hate-crime-chicago-police-department-israel-hamas/14055180/?utm_source=ground.news&utm_medium=referral
I’ll preface this with the following: I do not support the atrocities committed by HAMAS and I do not support the atrocities committed by Israel. Both sides are wrong.
The goal of HAMAS is to eliminate Israel. The goal of Israel is to eliminate Palestine.
People in support of Israel argue that Palestinian citizens should be suffering for the government they “elected” (there hasn’t been an election there for a while). By their same argument Israelis should be suffering for the governments they actually elected (which have suppressed Palestinians not even treating them as citizens). I don’t support either of these views. But my point is any argument that can be made to justify Israel can also be used to justify HAMAS.
I’m all sorts of fine with condem atrocities and war crimes. I hate Bibi and Likud and would love to see the whole lot of them tried. And wewilli be on the same page up to Oct. I’m all for prosecuting collective punishment and other Israeli war crimes pre october. And every rocket fired at civilians was a war crime, and I’m for prosecuting the tens of thousands of those incidents. and other Hamas’ greatest hits like suicide bombings and bus bombings.
The Palestinians have rejected 2-state 4 or 5 times, both pre and post. Roughly '37, '47, '67, '00, '08. And Israel has agreed to it multiple times and has been agreeable to it… Go look it up. It’s not hard to find. It’s just a more inconvenient fact for Lemmy.
Also, dirty Jerusalem, which NOBODY should get. Since these fucking murderous religious trash of all varieties can’t behave. They should just forbid it to everyone. Go kindergarten on them. “Now nobody gets to play with it”. Much of the rejection of 2 state is fucking Jerusalem. Religion makes everything horrible.
And Palestinians DID elect Hamas, elected them to destrogy israel and the Jews. And they’re more popular than ever. If they held elections today, they’d win easily both in Gaza and West Bank. Abbas is fucked and about to lose power completely.
Hamas is the government there. When people say aid to the Palestinians, what they mean is give money and food and fuel to Hamas (they literally handle it) amd then they also steal it and tell the citizens that Isreal is starving you. It’d great PR both in and outside of Gaza. It works wonders here eith Lemmy radical terrorist supporters and sympathizers.
What does October 7 change? Most 2 state solutions have failed to be fair to Palestinians as the first people there. The only reason why HAMAS is in power is because Israel is oppressing Palestinians and it would make sense that they would hate Israel. Israel was only established fairly recently by kicking the Palestinians out of their land. October 7 was not a terrorist attack, it was an act of war, a war which has been ongoing since Israel was established.
The news sources you linked are Israeli so not worth reading for a balanced perspective
Heh, all Arab states were established fairly recently. LOL.
And holy shit. At least we are done. You’re an apologist for terrorists. As I tell a lot of radicalized kids on here who are Hamas aligned or members, you need to self reflect and get out of your bubble.
You’re heading down a super dangerous direction that could ruin your life. Take a step back, and take a breath. And step away. When you come back, expose yourself to something other than Hamas propaganda, and the Lemmy echo chamber.
Your assertion that “Oct. 7th wasn’t a terrorist attack”, is a crazy huge red flag warning. I won’t try to reason with you anymore. You’re clearly past reason.
I wish you the best of luck and hope you turn away from embracing terroism before you become an active participant.
I’ve never seen a better recruiting place for Hamas than Lemmy. It’s super dangerous, and needs to be addressed.
Frankly, I am insulted by your childishness in response to my arguments