Hope this is the beginning of Israel’s transformation into an isolated and boycotted rogue state.
Or, even better, the beginning of Isreal’s transformation into a country where people see through the bullshit of the far-right and elect decent leaders, leaving Netanyahu to rot in prison.
Going by the general trend around the world lately, that’s a very unlikely outcome.
A lot of Israelis are blaming Netanyahu for the war, the Supreme Court of Israel struck down his constitutional reform, and thanks to him Israel can no longer take the support of their oldest allies completely for granted. The relationship between the US and Israel was already at an all-time low before all this thanks to Netanyahu being a piece of shit.
Of course, there’s also the flip side of the coin: Netanyahu has always had a fear based platform, and the political climate lends itself well to that at the moment. There’s always a rally behind the flag effect, and elections are still far away. So even if he loses the next election in a landslide that might be too late. Frankly it has been too late for many years already.
So all in all I agree in not being incredibly optimistic.
It’s a nice thought, but until US policy changes, Israel is bulletproof.
You’re right. Given demographic changes in the US, I do think it’s only a matter of time before most Americans consider Israel to be an albatross around their necks.
I’ve disliked Israel govt for decades. Fuck Bibi and the IDF.
Can you seperate Bibi and the current government from the Israeli people and it’s potential to elect a moderate government?
This is a great joke … but the fact that people are actually debating this perception of Israel should make people stop and think.
Oh fuck off, Israel and their global backers are continuing their century-long campaign to take Palestine and remove/kill Palestinians. Hamas is just a recent development which happens to neatly justify this period of Israeli colonial violence.
After Hamas runs its course (however that ends up happening), then do you think Israel will back off? Of course not and the idea is preposterous.
Israel was founded in 1948. How was Israel backing a campaign to kill Palestinians for twenty four years prior to its existence? Also, if Israel’s goal is to kill all Palestinians, why are daily death tolls going down and why are there any buildings still standing in Gaza and the West Bank?
If you’re going to correct people you should probably get the details right.
Settlement started long before the founding of Israel, afterall there must be citizens to start a country.
It really got going in 1917 when, after WW1 and the carving up of the Ottoman empire, Britain was like “fuck me but that looks like a good place to shove Jewish people innit?”.
Tell it to the judge.
They’ll look to daddy USA and nothing will happen.
The world court can do two things. First, arbitrate between two consenting states who agree to abide by the decision. Second, issue advisory rulings which have absolutely no functional authority. America doesn’t have to step in. Nation states around the world wouldn’t have signed onto a world court that could actually compel them to obey, we all like our sovereignty.
Which is ironic because as citizens of these countries we don’t get that choice regarding the laws we’re compelled to obey.
America doesn’t have to step in.
Do you think that will stop them?
America likes Israel the way it is. I honestly don’t know why any more, but America will not step in because America doesn’t want to step in. Biden’s popularity is in freefall because he refuses to do anything about America’s complicity in this genocide–yet, he still does nothing. There must be a reason that overrides the compelling case to end a genocide, but I don’t know what it is. He doesn’t even have to send troops, he just has to stop sending them aid. He won’t even do that. Idgi, but the fact stands that America will not step in.
It’s because behind both parties is a unified force known as the military industrial complex, which loves any excuse to make and sell weapons.
Say our government decides to send 100 million dollars in military aid to another country. Most, if not all, of that 100 million is sent as physical armaments rather than actual currency. The government gives companies like Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Northrop Grumman, etc the actual money for this aid effort, and their products (weapons of war) are what is sent along as aid.
As it turns out, companies like the aforementioned love any excuse to sell more weapons, and carry large amounts of sway with politicians on both sides of the aisle, so they pressure those sales to continue.
That, and there’s groups like AIPAC that’ll do their best to crush any politician who’s not sufficiently deferential to the apartheid regime.
Incidentally, Biden once bragged about going to more AIPAC events than any other politician in Washington.
any excuse
Not quite any excuse though. The world is full of conflicts, we still get a choice about which ones we’re involved in, and on which side. If the M-I complex wants to build weapons, build them for Ukraine and nobody in the west will object. Build them to stop genocides, of which we still have multiple options. We love to build and sell weapons, yes, but we also usually make an effort to provide a moral veneer over it. Israel’s moral veneer has long vanished, and yet we still choose to be on that side of the conflict. That is what I don’t understand.
I’m rewatching Oliver Stone’s JFK from 1991 … and when you listen to Costner’s monologue from the real life Jim Garrison explaining the motivation of why JFK was assassinated and eliminated, the Military Industrial Complex was at the top of the list.
Just the actions of what happened the day after the assassination speaks volumes … the new president Lyndon Johnson stepped back JFK’s original plans to withdraw from Vietnam and made promises to his military that they would continue the war.
They didn’t just kill a president in 1963, they signed the death warrant for two hundred thousand American soldiers and a million Vietnamese.
As a companion piece to that great film witch doesn’t even scratch the surface of the tragedy in 1963, I urge you to read or listen to the the book “LBJ - Mastermind of the JFK Assassination” by Phillip F Nelson.
It’s absolutely fascinating and brings up more than a few irrefutable points. Seriously, give it a read or listen. (I personally prefer the audiobook).
It’s 27 hrs long…
The only hypothesis I have is that Israeli money is funneled to election funds. Like, if Dems anger zionists, Republicans will win the election. I don’t know if that’s true but I haven’t found any other explanation yet.
That’s basically what AIPAC and similar groups do, though they blackmail during primaries as well as general elections.
Here’s the “why”:
"Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security. "
~Alexander Haig
Oh no, you misunderstood.
I’m saying America will step in to protect Israel from facing any kinds of consequences. It’s like he said, if Israel didn’t exist we’d have to create it.
What can the judge do? Invade them?
Ultimately nothing concrete. Presently.
Exactly. It’s incredibly hard to make genocide charge stick, especially when Hamas do built tunnel under the city and Netanyahu is hiding behind Hamas while doing whatever he want with Gaza, he know it takes years for the judgement and appeal, by the time the final judgement came out Netanyahu would’ve already done serving his term and they would’ve already shape Palestine to whatever they wanted. The court literally can’t stop him.
You’re right. My only hope is for the soft power of a legal finding to have some unknown knock-on effects down the road. The whole situation is like a puzzle with only bad solutions… like the box from hellraiser but literally worse.
The USA could. By by ending the free weapons and money deliveries…
I mean, we probably won’t, for reasons I don’t understand.
Can’t kick start the rapture without the jews in jerusalem
It’s not that complicated. It’s because Iran has the goal of destroying Israel and killing everyone Jew in the middle east, and because Israel obviously isn’t going to just surrender Tehran. The resultant war would kill tens of millions of people, compared to the 26,000 that have died in this war. So no we won’t probably won’t, we definitely won’t.
… and when you’ve got the US in your back pocket they let you do it. You can do anything
I would like to see him proven wrong.
America will soon face a strong reckoning for how much they fucked around. Time to find out.
Haha funny. Still the world’s only super power.
He thinks they are crushing Hamas, but Israel’s actions will only build them up.
Damn do I want Macron to send a tactical nuke through Bibi’s window so bad. But he’s a fucking shill
