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    Not upvoting, not because the subject isn’t interesting, but because of the framing: “The great popular hero russia restores water to the poor victims of the ukrainian despotism”.

    I’d be interested in more sources on the implications behind this. I’d also be interested if you were to publish the same kind of propaganda against Turkey’s war crimes against the autonomous communities of Rojava ;-)

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      I would be more interested in you stopping NATO apologia in threads, but you have demonstrated otherwise by calling others Russian empire puppets. You are bothered and need to say “not upvoting” because you are supportive of Ukraine not letting Crimea having water supply, and do not want to say it openly.

      Do you seek interest in publishing photos on Lemmy like this, since you call critics of current narrative “puppets of Russian Empire”?

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        If you can point to one instance where i advocated for NATO, i’d be happy to provide an apology. Unfortunately this does not exist except in your mind where being against the Russian empire means siding with the western empire. I strongly recommend you do some reading on third-worldism and the importance of non-alignment (in regards to colonial empires) for the socialist/communist/anarchist movement worldwide.

        Do you seek interest in publishing photos on Lemmy like this, since you call critics of current narrative “puppets of Russian Empire”?

        Challenge accepted. I’m all up for denouncing nazism/fascism where it is. I just criticize when denouncing a specific brand of fascism is done in a way to reinforce another (whether it’s USA or Russian fascism/imperialism).

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          On your “challenge accepted” post, you for some reason play both sides trope in plenty hideous ways:

          On the Russian side of things, there’s also a bunch of neo-nazis in the army as well as traditional nationalists/fascists. It’s not exactly a secret either:

          Both governments have long fought against popular movements and anarchist/antifascist networks. Both countries have neo-nazi/fascist militias parading down the streets and beating/killing random people. Just like France or USA have them too.

          Check out the wikipedia page on neo-nazism.

          This is a prime example of a grifter and not a critic. Criticism must happen not against the oppressed (pro-Russian) narrative, but the dominant (pro-NATO, pro-Ukraine) narrative. Russia needs to do a lot of catchup on whatever Anglo countries have done, for Russia to be equally called an empire.

          You are a grifter trying to paint Russia as an equal to NATO in terms of whatever incidents have happened to date, when just about most of whatever is shown to paint Russia bad in the media is debunked as fake news. https://nitter.eu/dpfunke/status/1496928811753132033

          Claims of Russia striking rockets in civilian places to gain empathy, when the below is Smerch complex, and not rockets with fuel in them.

          Smerch complex that is supposed to explode... oh wait pacifiers do not explode, but NATO media has done the damage.

          Playing both sides trope when the media is suspiciously imbalanced against Russia is purely meant for grift purposes. You have already attempted to label Lemmy users as “pro-Putin internet leninist fanboys” in a post 2 hours ago:

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          You are gaslighting Lemmy users continuously in comments to create a cauldron and it is not meant for having a balanced debate and dialogue.

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            Criticism must happen not against the oppressed (pro-Russian) narrative, but the dominant (pro-NATO, pro-Ukraine) narrative

            In what world do you live that there is an oppressed and dominant narrative? Both sides are trying to impose their own narrative for their own fucked up interests. Neither of those sides will be what local militants will tell you, as those have a common understanding (anti-war, anti-imperialist) of the situation from every side of the border/conflict.

            Russia needs to do a lot of catchup on whatever Anglo countries have done, for Russia to be equally called an empire.

            I’m not saying Russia is as evil as UK/France/USA. I’m not interested in playing a game of who’s less worse. This is not a game. This is real life and our comrades are suffering on both sides of the border.

            most of whatever is shown to paint Russia bad in the media is debunked as fake news

            Of course there’s disinformation on both sides, like during any political conflict. Where can you see me spreading fake news?

            Playing both sides trope when the media is suspiciously imbalanced against Russia is purely meant for grift purposes.

            I’m not doing “both sides”. I’m doing “neither side”. I chose my side, and i side with the people who struggle across this planet. I’m taking time to counter propaganda on both sides on these forums because i have higher expectations in terms of information/debate when it comes to Lemmy, and because some people need to take the side of the common people and militant antifascists and spread their analysis on the situation, when everyone else is spewing Washington/Kremlin propaganda.

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              In what world do you live that there is an oppressed and dominant narrative? Both sides are trying to impose their own narrative

              On Earth. Maybe your head is in a different dimension, because Big Tech, all of news media and so on is showing one thing, and you are continuously trying to whitewash it by bashing the oppressed narrative.

              I’m not saying Russia is as evil as UK/France/USA.

              Indeed you have. You have repeatedly made claims of

              • “both are imperialist assholes”
              • “people who are no fools of the Russian/NATO propaganda”
              • “you support Russian fascism”
              • “you are a puppet of the Russian empire”
              • “carefully ignore that the Russian army is also full of nazis”
              • “anti-imperialist thinkers/fighters who oppose NATO are also opposing Putin’s imperialism on Ukraine”
              • “while many national outlet are spewing NATO propaganda, others are spewing Kremlin propaganda”
              • “geopolitical concerns between the two big empires (Russia and NATO)”
              • “Putin and NATO are two sides of the same colonialist garbage”

              and so on. You are continuously doing this wordsmith weaseling and it shows.

              Of course there’s disinformation on both sides

              Oh look, again.

              I’m not doing “both sides”. I’m doing “neither side”. I chose my side, and i side with the people who struggle across this planet.

              Oh you definitely do it.

              Which side are you on? Are you on the same side as Putin and NATO and other vampires playing the same game of geopolitics?

              I critiqued it yesterday already.

              Ukraine is not “the people”, their military has Nazis and they have oppressed “the people” of Donbas for 8 years. NATO has gaslighted Ukraine into its own destruction, and Russia has to protect itself from Aegis missile system. You are lying through teeth about “the people” here.

              There is nothing reasonable about putting NATO and Putin together, since NATO is a Nazism proponent, while Russia wants to do “denazification” of Ukraine. You are literally playing the Hitler card of calling Nationalist Fascism as National Socialism (Nat-Soc or Nazism). There is no “both sides” in being against Nazism