• knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    Then please tell me how a region under genocidal siege from the very state it is internationally recognized to be a part of should legitimately break away and establish its own sovereignty.

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      That’s a straw man, because in this case they weren’t under genocidal siege by the state it is internationally recognized to be a part of

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        1 year ago

        How is that relevant? The topic at hand is sovereignty and what the supposed correct way to go about achieving it is, not shitty economic liberalization.

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          I didn’t mean the economic reform, but the re-ordering of the states.

          If you’d like parts of a country that is overbearing to split off and become countries of their own, that’s quite an effective method, wouldn’t you say?

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      Ukraine was, and remains, at war with separatist factions fomented by Russia. If Russia didn’t want a war in Donbas, they shouldn’t have started a war there

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        Russia started a war in 2014?

        Whether or not the separatist faction is fomented by a foreign power, what gives Ukraine the right to shell them for nearly a decade on end, make their language and culture illegal, and exclude them from the public sphere? In early 2022 Ukraine was preparing for military action on Donbas, to essentially remove all remaining dissenters.

        I think Ukraine, under direction of its NATO puppeteers, has done a great job of fomenting separatism in culturally Russian minorities present in Ukraine all on their own.

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          Russia started a war in 2014?

          Yes. Russia invaded and annexed Crimea which is a part of ukraine. It also provided arms and boots on the ground to separatist movements in the Donbas

          Whether or not the separatist faction is fomented by a foreign power, what gives Ukraine the right to shell them for nearly a decade

          They are a hostile force occupying Ukrainian land, committing human rights abuses against Ukrainians living in the Donbas.

          make their language and culture illegal

          The Russian language was not, nor has it ever been, banned. The Ukrainian parliament attempted to repeal a law that granted minority languages such as Russian regional status but it was vetoed by the then president of Ukraine. It’s wasn’t until 2018 that the law was deemed to be unconstitutional but even then, neither the Russian language, nor its culture was banned

          In early 2022 Ukraine was preparing for military action on Donbas, to essentially remove all remaining dissenters.

          Ukraine has been investing heavily in its defense capabilities since it was invaded in 2014 by a hostile foreign power. If there was ever a good reason to build up a military, that’s it