Former Kentucky swimmer Riley Gaines was among more than a dozen college athletes who filed a lawsuit against the NCAA on Thursday, accusing it of violating their Title IX rights by allowing transgender woman Lia Thomas to compete at the national championships in 2022.
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in Atlanta, details the shock Gaines and other swimmers felt when they learned they would have to share a locker room with Thomas at the championships in Atlanta. It documents a number of races they swam in with Thomas, including the 200-yard final in which Thomas and Gaines tied for fifth but Thomas, not Gaines, was handed the fifth-place trophy.
Thomas swam for Pennsylvania. She competed for the men’s team at Penn before her gender transition.
Thomas was the first openly transgender athlete to win a Division I title in any sport, finishing in front of three Olympic medalists for the championship. By not making the final, the lawsuit mentions that Florida swimmer Tylor Mathieu, who was not a plaintiff, was denied first-team All-American honors in that event.
Other plaintiffs included athletes from volleyball and track.
Organisation x holds a competition. They stipulate the rules for the competition. You don’t agree with the rules. You don’t have to participate. You are also allowed to express you displeasure with organisation x’s decisions. Maybe organise your own competitions. Maybe yours will be better. The sky is the limit!
I will say; I don’t care too much who these people compete with or against. But I do support their right to complain about it.
So you’re cool with “whites only” sports? Cause that’s what you’re proposing.
I’m no bigot, but I support bigots’ rights to be bigots!
(you are the 11th person sharing a table with 10 nazis)
I totally agree with this!
I remember how bummed out I was when they didn’t allow Miis in my local smash competition, but I didn’t sue them for it!
Their event, their rules. That’s literally how it goes in the e-sports arena. I don’t see why it would be any different anywhere else.
State universities are public, not private, and college sports award state money in the form of scholarships. It’s discriminatory to exclude people from participating so I don’t see what they can do except include trans athletes in men’s or have a separate trans category but good luck with that.
Ahh, but we shouldn’t be mixing academia with sports.
Injustices everywhere! But it’s the trans people who should pay!
Isn’t the general standard already an “open” league and a “women’s” league?
Open leagues anyone can compete in
Problem being is currently transgender people have less formalized options to participate in the field of sport than people with disabilities at this point where body types are way more variable. Imagine if you will a situation where no Smash competition, will allow you to ever pick up a controller because you are you… and you are getting closer to the issue as it exists.
At some point there exists a civil rights case that asks if a class of people are being allowed to reasonably participate in an aspect of society. Sports governing bodies at a National level require the sign on of a lot of people and it requires a lot of money to create a National level federation from scratch.
That’s hyperbole, though. There are competitions where trans people can participate, just like there are Smash competitions that allow Miis.
If these people aren’t satisfied with the host’s rules, they can join another event or host their own.
Have you ever tried to create an event that competes with the structures of other established events? Because it is exhausting and more likely to fail than succeed. People who compete in competition level events have to meter what money they spend to travel and a lot of the rigid rules of competition sport means of you don’t make one event you basically lose your ability to compete.
This whole “uh but it’s your problem to solve” attitude ignores the fact that to run and set up a competitive league you need a lot of people to sacrifice all the time they would be competing and participating to become full time event organizers and just hope against hope that other athletes will potentially sacrifice a portion of their travel funds and squeeze time out of their schedules to participate in a league that will offer no widespread accepted accolades for decades after it’s establishment.
And no, there isn’t that many events where trans people can participate. Even a lot of sports that do not have a sex based advantage have exclusive policies or total bans. Even in the ones that nominally allow trans people to participate there’s catch 22 clauses that place limitations that the organizations know sound inclusive on their face but make it nigh impossible for all but the athletes with extreme mental fortitude and can check a very narrow window of boxes to theoretically participate. Particularly in amateur and community and school related competition spaces oftentimes trans people are just seen as a logistical problem that it’s easier to just create bans for or allow other participants to drive them forcefully out by offering offer no protections against transphobic complaints.
What a lot of the problem is is that trans issues are not very well understood by the cis population at large. It’s very easy to dupe cis people into thinking something that isn’t explicitly a total ban because when you do not understand the actual psychological challenges of being trans you do not really understand when the barriers are solid. Like if you think “oh a trans person being forced to complete in the category of their birth sex until the age of 18” isn’t basically a complete way to eliminate participation of trans people in the sport - then you are missing some key knowledge about the intersection of transition physiology or key psychological and social factors.
A rule like that means first damn near no athlete will have the mental fortitude to make it that far and no scout will ever select them because either an early transition required for them to continue as an adult will eliminate them from competition between the ages of 16-18 or in the case of a masculinizing transition make it seem as though their advantage is unfair driving them to be eliminated via social prejudice.
“Oh just make your own competitions” ignores that sport is regimented as fuck and people who do sport do so at personal cost. People who do sport don’t do so out of the generosity of their own hearts. It just isn’t that easy. It’s literally easier to change the regulations of what pre-exista because otherwise you basically are just in exile from the community of the wider sport.
Why the fuck shouldn’t a trans person be allowed state money, lol, wat?
Who said that?