“This was not reckless driving. This was murder,” the judge said before she read out Mackenzie Shirilla’s verdict Monday afternoon.

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    Wow the way she’s crying is disgusting, she’s just sorry for herself not for the deaths she caused. No remorse, only regret for getting sentenced

    How do you know that? I don’t know about you but I’ve done things in anger that I felt genuine remorse for later.

    Never killed anyone though, I suppose.

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      Because of her intent and crimes- she had genuine murderous intent as the judgement said. She seemed very cruel and unhinged according to the article and presented evidence and the video showed her crying due to the judgement.

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        It’s been two years since she murdered those people. She could easily feel true remorse now.

        I’m in no way trying to excuse her actions, I just think it’s worth trying to do some level of empathizing for people. Not that what she did was in any way justified, but I can’t imagine trying to live with myself if I got angry enough to murder someone.

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          It’s all speculation and assumptions anyway ! We can see different things. I feel disgust and see regret and you may see someone possibly showing remorse. We just don’t know for sure either way.

          Have a good day fellow fediperson

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          Crying when the sentence was read doesn’t say anything one way or the other about her feeling or not remorse because that specific moment is about what’s going to happen to her, not about others, so she’s crying for herself.

          She almost certainly feels regret (which is entirelly about the consequences for herself), but it’s unclear that she feels remorse (which is about the consequences for others of her actions).

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        You mean legitimate tears from someone who had trauma from successfully defending himself against attackers? Did you watch any of the trial?

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          Boo hoo I murdered two people boo hoo. Can I get medal now? Boo hoo boo hoo.

          There, that is what I think of your bestie. Go Rittenhouse about it to your family and “friends”.

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        It’s been two years since she made that video, regardless of whether it was made before or after the crash.

        I’m not trying to say that she is remorseful, only that we cannot say that she isn’t based solely on her actions two years ago.

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            Sure seems like she had a lot of issues at 17, that’s for sure. Most 17-year-olds don’t murder their friends and boyfriends.

            I find her family’s attitude toward the whole thing troubling. I know my family, if I were in this situation and they had the same evidence, would be telling me to plead guilty and take responsibility. I have a feeling that concept was never big in her upbringing or her family’s.

            It’s tragic all the way down.

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              Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence.

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                Again it’s tragic for the victims, not for her. Saying it’s tragic all the way down, is a false equivalence.

                I don’t want to be argumentative, but there is no false equivalence in my position. I never tried to apply any equivalence. Things can be tragic without being equivalently tragic, and one thing being tragic does not take away the tragedy of something else.

                I think one could argue that you’re falling prey to the fallacy of relative privation. “X is worse than Y, so we shouldn’t care about Y.”

                Tragedy is not a zero sum game. It is absolutely tragic that those young men were murdered. It is tragic that their families lost their loved ones. It is also tragic that this young woman thought the proper solution to her problems was to attempt murder-suicide. It is tragic that she threw away any promise her own life held along with theirs. It is perhaps not tragic, but certainly sad and troubling, that her family seems to think she did nothing wrong.

                Yes, it’s more tragic for the victims, but it her story is still a tragedy.

                It is important to note that I am in no way trying to excuse her actions or argue for leniency. She murdered two people in a horrible and reckless action. There are consequences for that action beyond the direct ones.

                But empathy is important even for those we may hate.

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                  Just wanted to say that I love this comment, and it’s a shame that so few people share this sentiment. Thank you for this.

                  I was actually just having an argument with my brother about this less than a month ago. Not this exact story, but a similar one where I was sad for everyone involved. He also fell into the “x is worse than y, so we shouldn’t care about y” mindset.

                  I didn’t realize there was a name for that, so thank you for that too!