What if this turns out to be a good thing? Apple/Google remove Xitter from their store, Musk gets all whiny about it, uses his billionaire corruption powers to get regulators to finally acknowledge that app store monopolies are bad, Apple/Google are forced to allow third party stores (without anti-competitive barriers, as in Google’s case).
And Elon Musk turns out to be a hero for consumers and the free market!
Not trying to argue, but could you expand on “anti-competitive behavior” a bit? I recently installed the Epic Store on my phone and found it pretty straightforward.
Considering you’re on lemmy, I think it’s safe to assume you’re good with technology. Imagine someone in your life who isn’t good with technology trying to install the Epic Games store (without assistance)
First they have to track down the toggle to allow “unknown sources” (it’s never in the same place on all Android phones, they move it so that it’s hard to find), which presents a scary and vague warning about malware that a non-techie will never understand. Then they have to track down and install the APK, which presents even more scary warnings, then they get pestered by a “Play Protect” dialog which gives google permission to remotely disable the app (and the dialog can’t be permanently dismissed, so everyone will agree eventually)
Think about how you could run a successful app store in that environment. The cost of user acquisition is very high compared to Google. The only way to do it is to strike deals with OEMs to ship with your store, but Google has been caught either threatening or bribing these manufacturers to not accept those deals from competitors. Additionally, Google pays full time engineers to analyze competitors stores to search for vulnerabilities, and then leak them to the press before they get a chance to patch them, just to scare people away.
There’s probably more stuff I’m forgetting. This is all stuff that came out years ago when Epic first launched their store and got into public fights with Apple and Google. There are articles from back then that really go into the details if you’re interested in the topic.
Last I checked, when you try to install from another source it just pops up a message saying this is not currently allowed due to this setting, with a button to take you to the setting. Literally two taps and you are able to install from other sources.
then they get pestered by a “Play Protect” dialog which gives google permission to remotely disable the app (and the dialog can’t be permanently dismissed, so everyone will agree eventually)
It is possible to disable Play Protect itself though? You’d just get a permanent red warning text on Play Store.
Can Musk do that? I would think this goes against Apple and Android app store rules right?
But it’s ok! Because he’s an oligarch, he gets an exception.
According to another post, yes.
What if this turns out to be a good thing? Apple/Google remove Xitter from their store, Musk gets all whiny about it, uses his billionaire corruption powers to get regulators to finally acknowledge that app store monopolies are bad, Apple/Google are forced to allow third party stores (without anti-competitive barriers, as in Google’s case).
And Elon Musk turns out to be a hero for consumers and the free market!
Not trying to argue, but could you expand on “anti-competitive behavior” a bit? I recently installed the Epic Store on my phone and found it pretty straightforward.
Considering you’re on lemmy, I think it’s safe to assume you’re good with technology. Imagine someone in your life who isn’t good with technology trying to install the Epic Games store (without assistance)
First they have to track down the toggle to allow “unknown sources” (it’s never in the same place on all Android phones, they move it so that it’s hard to find), which presents a scary and vague warning about malware that a non-techie will never understand. Then they have to track down and install the APK, which presents even more scary warnings, then they get pestered by a “Play Protect” dialog which gives google permission to remotely disable the app (and the dialog can’t be permanently dismissed, so everyone will agree eventually)
Think about how you could run a successful app store in that environment. The cost of user acquisition is very high compared to Google. The only way to do it is to strike deals with OEMs to ship with your store, but Google has been caught either threatening or bribing these manufacturers to not accept those deals from competitors. Additionally, Google pays full time engineers to analyze competitors stores to search for vulnerabilities, and then leak them to the press before they get a chance to patch them, just to scare people away.
There’s probably more stuff I’m forgetting. This is all stuff that came out years ago when Epic first launched their store and got into public fights with Apple and Google. There are articles from back then that really go into the details if you’re interested in the topic.
Last I checked, when you try to install from another source it just pops up a message saying this is not currently allowed due to this setting, with a button to take you to the setting. Literally two taps and you are able to install from other sources.
Yeah. I had the experience you described. Not sure if it’s because I have a newer version of Android or stock Android experience.
It is possible to disable Play Protect itself though? You’d just get a permanent red warning text on Play Store.
Quite possibly, this timeline has already thrown up some odd things
Sadly, these big apps already have tons of exemptions.
such as?