As the president begins his last international trip before the election, the fear in the crowd is that conflict in Gaza is tripping him up.
Why? Trump’s people met with Netanyahu. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/donald-trump-foreign-policy-advisers-met-israeli-pm-netanyahu-source-says-2024-05-20/
Trump said only a fool would have not acted like Israel after October 7th: https://www.israelhayom.com/2024/03/25/trump-to-israel-hayom-only-a-fool-would-have-not-acted-like-israel-on-oct-7/
He said that he would bar Gazan refugees if he were president: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/trump-muslim-ban-gaza-refugees
His son-in-law and advisor Jared Kushner said Gaza’s beachfront property could be valuable: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev
He said if elected, he would crack down on Pro-Palestinian protests: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/28/trump-promises-crackdown-on-pro-palestinian-protests-if-elected
The only way it would hasten Trump’s rise is if people continue to not know all of that. Maybe they should be educated.
I think what we’ll see is Biden’s support for Israel not so much making people more likely to vote for Trump as making them more likely to not vote at all.
(Which, in a 2-party system where one side ALWAYS falls in line behind their candidate, makes that side much more likely to win.)
And for the people who will choose to NOT vote for Biden over Israel, I think they’re likely more concerned with what Biden is doing rather than what Trump might do.
Though, as you say, it will definitely be worse not just for Palestine but for Ukraine and the world at large.
Sorry to repeat this comment, but it really applies here too since I don’t disagree with either of you:
Then it behooves all of us who want to stop Trump to give them other reasons to vote for Biden. We need to let them know that Trump is not going to be any less supportive of genocide and it’s either Trump or Biden. Voting third party or abstaining won’t change that.
It helps if you try to convince people to vote on down ballot races too. Too many people think president is the most important thing to vote for when local and regional elections can matter far more on a personal level.
SCOTUS nominations are probably the only thing gonna make me actually vote for Biden. He’s done some stuff that was good, sure, but no where near what I would have liked to see him accomplish, and his approach to the ongoing genocide is inexcusable, but I can’t let that mean I help Trump decide the court layouts for the rest of my life by staying home.
Right, this election, and the last, where more about who the president surrounds themselves with. Who they appoint to key positions. Not the individual.
Anyone who doesn’t vote - especially to stop trump - is more than a cretinous idiot, they’re actively working to destroy the world.
Articles like this do not help, and posting them does not help. Teh BiDeN GeNoSiDe crowd are actively doing what russian trolls want.
If someone has the one-and-only issue of stopping Israel from the genocide they’re obviously committing, they’re going to have to do something else. Bitching about Biden on the interwebs is the very least effort possible. (And kudos to them on having such a myopic worldview that they only give a shit about one thing. The rest of us are trying to avoid the destruction of much more than that and would superappreciate it if they could shut the fuck up for about sixteen more weeks or so.) If we make it out of this election alive or with a majority, then it’s all systems go for bitchapalooza. Until then, fight trump or gtfo.
i think the issue is not necessarily that voters who are disappointed by biden on this issue would vote for trump directly, or even think he would make a different or “better” choice but instead may not turn out, or vote for a 3rd party candidate. with the race as close as it is now, that might be all it takes.
Then it behooves all of us who want to stop Trump to give them other reasons to vote for Biden. We need to let them know that Trump is not going to be any less supportive of genocide and it’s either Trump or Biden. Voting third party or abstaining won’t change that.
It helps if you try to convince people to vote on down ballot races too. Too many people think president is the most important thing to vote for when local and regional elections can matter far more on a personal level.
It also behooves Biden to just… not. Is supporting Israel’s genocide so important to him that he’d rather let Trump win?
There is no point in waiting for Biden to change.
I don’t need him to change, I need him to do what everyone else is already doing for him, that is do something he doesn’t believe in so Joe Biden wins the election.
Okay, there’s also no point in waiting for him to do that either. If that’s what you’re waiting for in order to vote for him, you might as well just vote for Trump.
Well, if not gonna move an inch we all better plan ahead as if he’s already lost.
When I see these comments, I wonder if you understand that this isn’t effective politicking.
Will this bring you comfort when Trump wins? Explaining why you think Biden should have won?
You can’t logic the electoral outcome you want, matter how many links you include. It doesn’t matter that Trump is worse. We know. It’s not working.
Also: Biden needs a turnout operation. In 2020, it was all the Bernie lefties who actually knocked on doors. Biden supporters write checks, but ultimately you need folks to remind their neighbors to vote, and give people rides. I think most lefties will still turn out and vote for Biden. But they aren’t going to pull him across the finish line like they did last time.
Biden has to change course. I think he’ll have a very, very, hard time winning if he stays on the current course.
Hey college kids, here’s some summer reading ^
Too bad they already know everything about everything
op is one of the three useful idiots that spams hundreds of onos ukranian nazis :( type articles, always check the username
i honestly would love to see the discord where these guys organize their downvote brigade. embarrassing. look how mad “check the username” makes them. if you want to make them this mad, form the habit of checking the username
I mean, I think we’ve been saying this since November.
Yeah and it sucks. Biden to me is ok, but this single issue could really hurt him.
“Biden enables genocide, but to me he is ok”
Really? What’s a person gotta do to not be ok in your books if you look past genocide?
It a symptom of Trump derangement syndrome,
When someone says this, I’m never sure which way they’re going to want it shifted. Even in this case, I’m like 80% sure “US allies” would be more pro-Palestine but not 100%.
