• Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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      Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.

      While it’s likely there were civilians hurt by this, the target was undeniably Hesbollah. So no, not terrorism.

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        Likely because the bulk of those wounded by this attack were not Hezbollah

        I don’t even know how you’d reasonably expect to only injure your targets in an attack as widespread and remote as this one. Seems blatantly indiscriminate at best.

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          Likely because the bulk of those wounded by this attack were not Hezbollah

          What makes you think that? These pagers were bought by Hesbollah to be used by their guys.

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            Uhhh, because these were bombs - bombs that were remotely and indiscriminately detonated. Some of the people were driving, some standing next to children or on busses full of people. There are reports of children who died because they were standing next to a target at head-level with the pager.There’s no guarantee they were even being carried by “Hezbollah’s guys”.

            I don’t even know why anyone would assume otherwise. This was a loosely targeted terror attack

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            These pagers were bought by Hesbollah

            All we know is that a bunch of exploding pagers were distributed through Lebanon. The IDF claims they were given to Hezbollah agents, but they’ve been caught lying regularly.

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        Israel is a terrorist organization. Radical, fundamentalist Jewish terrorism.

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          National order isnt based on tit for tat. If someone commits a war crime against you it doesnt mean you get to do it too.

          In my opinion the time of day they chose to blow them shows they wanted as much collateral damage as they could.

          What’s the advantage of making excuses for committing war crimes?

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            At a certain point it stops being worth it. If sending a brainwashed 11 yo to blow up a checkpoint means you can no longer trust having any technology near you, your family and friends it might cause hesitation.

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                  No I’m saying it won’t stop the fighting because its not a choice they can make. Theres either negotiation or fighting but negotiation only works from equal footing. I don’t like violence and war of course but its not the fault of the group with less bargaining power. The larger group needs to give up power willingly to fix anything. Russia to Ukraine, Israel to Palestine and Lebanon.

          • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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            Is there any time of day it’s not atrocious? Seems like any time would have basically equal risk for collateral casualties.

            To be effective it all had to be at once. It seems that they waited until the pagers were being used to coordinate a fresh wave of rocket attacks with promises of more to come before setting them off.

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              Is there any time of day it’s not atrocious? Seems like any time would have basically equal risk for collateral casualties.

              Then maybe it shouldn’t be done at all.

              • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                Maybe all an army has to do to take over the entire world is bring their families to the front. Can’t shoot back at them because their families are there. So they pretty much win every engagement. Problem solved. No more wars.

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                  And you are saying noone is allowed to fight on their own land, as it endangers the public.

                  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                    I wasn’t trying to say that at all. Wars are fought where they are fought. It’s up to whoever is in charge of the area to make sure they are evacuated.

                    The people in charge of the area in Gaza (Hamas) do the opposite, that’s why they are designated as a terrorist organization and not legitimate government, such as the taliban in Afghanistan.

                    An illegitimate, criminal organization, that so willfully disregard the public welfare and trust, has no right to fight anywhere.

                    Let’s dispel the bullshit idea that Hamas is fighting for the lives and rights of the Gazan people. If Hamas wants to have a state so bad, they should start by looking out for the interests of their own people instead of constantly leading them into worse suffering. Taking part in international terrorism and killing Jews is more important to the leadership of Gaza then is feeding their people and until it’s not Gaza is irredenta.

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              Because that time of day is when the most people will be out in public. It seems deliberately designed to cause as much damage as widely as possible. Likely to cause fear in the population.

              • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                They put explosives in the pagers but no shrapnel, so how does your conclusion make sense? If Israel wanted to simply cause mass damage, this would be a most incompetent way to do it.

                  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                    2 months ago

                    Terrorism is illegitimate. Fear is only a small part of one definition of the term.

                    This was an attack by military on military. They were using the pagers to coordinate the rocket attacks against Israel that they e been launching lately.