The home secretary is seeking "urgent advice" about banning American XL Bully dogs as footage shows one of the animals attacking an 11-year-old girl and a man in Birmingham. Suella Braverman has said the animals are a "clear and lethal" danger after the video of the attack in Bordesley Green emerged on the social media platform TikTok. West Midlands Police are investigating after two men, who were bitten and left with injuries to their shoulders and arms, were taken to hospital to be treated for their injuries after the incident on Saturday.
Defending the dangerous thing while blaming the owner is a favorite argument against gun control.
Are we comparing dogs to guns now? I think I need to take a break from the internet
Are both dangerous in the wrong hands? Yes.
Seeing things you don’t like and blaming the internet…
One of them is a living thing…
Some people are responsible with guns, but I’m still comfortable with getting rid of all of them because it’s not like the guns would be hurt with that decision. They’re inanimate objects.
I’m less comfortable with putting down an entire breed of animal because some people are irresponsible assholes, and either abuse their pets or raise them to be attack dogs.
Or just stop breeding them. This isn’t controversial. Humans created them, humans need to stop creating them.
You’re assuming how this can be done. The law in the UK is that it is illegal to import or breed these dogs. You can implement legislation in which dogs can live out their lives and eventually it ain’t a problem.
Of course, I am not willing to watch children and old people getting mauled because you care about violent dogs designed to kill. Kill 'em like they kill me burgers…
As I pointed out in another comment, we don’t know that this is how this works. Nature vs nurture isn’t some no brainer just because it’s about something you don’t like.
But regardless, no thank you. I don’t want any animal to be artificially driven to extinction because people are horrible and thus raise them horribly.
Claiming ignorance to avoid solving a problem is weak or deceptive.
These dogs are bred to be strong. To kill. They don’t belong in homes and society near children. They should never have been bred in the first place nor imported, but that happened, so gotta deal with it.
People buy these dogs to be intimidating. Compensating for something, I expect. If people are licensed and can prove training, fine, keep them, but if they have already been raised bad, it’s probably too late and too risky. A school girls runs past, and bam, disfigured.
Claiming ignorance?? Are you saying that you, despite hundreds of years of debate, have solved the problem of nature vs nurture? Wtf?
And as I said in another comment, so were some slaves. Should their descendants not be allowed in homes and society near children? That’d be insane. That’s not how anything works. Breeding can affect your physical attributes, but we have no idea how much it affects individuals psychologically.
Exactly, so those people raise them to be viscous. So they end up being viscous. If they were raised in a loving household this wouldn’t be the case, but because of their reputation they’re far more likely to end up in abusive households, or raised to be attack dogs. It’s a viscous cycle.
To save dogs, you would advocate killing the children of slaves? The lengths you’ll go…
I know the debate about nature vs nurture and it’s relevant in some debates. Not this one. People do not have lions and tigers as pets. Some zoo owners probably feel they’re passive with the right ownership. Doesn’t make owning them good and sensible. If people cannot act sensibly (and they won’t), legislation has to kick in.
It is a viscious cycle, and I dont disagree that owners are part of the problem. Shrugging and going “ah well” doesn’t fix the problem. Doing nothing gives owners almost the legal freedom to use their dogs to kill folk and get away with it.
When something was created by humans to be a weapon yes, you compare them to guns. It’s like comparing a dog that was bred for eating grass to a lawnmower because their traits were bred into it to provide them with a certain function, in this case being a dangerous weapon.