Based on the presentation it seems like the USB3 controller is on-die for the A17 pro bionic chip. So rather than re-engineer the chip for the A16 they’ve shipped it on the cheap, they could add an external controller or re-engineer the die.
Ah. Well if I’m not mistaken Lemmy is mostly Android / FOSS biased so I’m not surprised some people might have the “Apple bad” mindset. Honestly why do people care what products other people use? I read a comment the other day about an Android user despairing that some feature Google is implementing (don’t remember which) might make some Android users jump ship to Apple… Ok who cares? Why so much emotional investment in something so trivial? It sounds just as crazy when you flip it, “Oh no some of my Apple friends are switching to Android or PC” …. A phone is an everyday appliance. Do you care what brand your neighbor’s kitchen appliances are? That’s how you should feel about phones IMHO.
It’s not quite that simple when you’re talking about a company with huge market share like that because the decisions they make go on to effect the market as a whole, look at headphone jacks, or screen notches for example. Not saying this is only apples fault, companies following their lead are just as bad or worse in some cases.
We can see it happening again with the removal of Sim cards, sure it won’t effect me, but if it becomes more industry standard, it will; and I like physical Sims (though that argument is not for here).
In my opinion it is important to know and criticize market leaders to try to avoid those changes becoming industry norm. To use your example, I would care about what whiteware my neighbours buy if the shitty decisions they make come back to effect me down the road. Look at the criticism of smart TVs and how hard it is to get a top featured “dumb Tvs” now.
Ah. Well if I’m not mistaken Lemmy is mostly Android / FOSS biased so I’m not surprised some people might have the “Apple bad” mindset. Honestly why do people care what products other people use? I read a comment the other day about an Android user despairing that some feature Google is implementing (don’t remember which) might make some Android users jump ship to Apple… Ok who cares? Why so much emotional investment in something so trivial? It sounds just as crazy when you flip it, “Oh no some of my Apple friends are switching to Android or PC” …. A phone is an everyday appliance. Do you care what brand your neighbor’s kitchen appliances are? That’s how you should feel about phones IMHO.
iphones are status symbols so they get to be ascribed w the same emotional irrationality that other status symbols get like cars and clothes.
Yeah it appears like they are differentiating the high end phones with the latest SoC and giving the core phones the previous year’s chip. You get whatever the old chip had and next year’s iPhone 16 will get the A17 and all the features that includes.
I’d have to see a teardown, but I’d imagine with all the extra space in the iPads, they could stick a separate controller board in there. Phones are a bit harder to do that with, especially if it’s a last minute change.
Sorry I missed the “non” part. In that case either they’re using a different die which is definitely possible seeing as they’re clocked lower than the iphone counterparts or they’re utilising an external USB controller.
It’s to force people to pay for iCloud storage rather than keep files locally on their PC. That, and nothing else. No other phone in this price range still has USB 2.0, and most haven’t for a very long time.
I don’t know any Apple users who actually use the cable. iCloud is effortless.
I don’t think it’s so much to force people to pay for storage insomuch as only people shooting 4k 60 long videos or people with very poor internet actually plug in to transfer data.
I would hate plugging my phone into my computer even if it were instant.
Because I have to think about it and remember to do it. And have enough storage in my laptop that it can store all my full res files and bring that with me everywhere.
And hope my laptop doesn’t get stolen again. Or have a plan to back that up.
I currently do literally nothing and all my photos and videos are seamlessly everywhere.
I’m not sure I understand how anyone could think syncing over a cable is a better solution.
iCloud backups and photo sync is amazing, especially while traveling. I can be almost anywhere and break or lose or hVe my phone stolen and lose virtually no data anywhere in the world.
My photos and videos are backed up as soon as I take them, not 12 hours later when I plug into a computer, if I remember to and no one steals it in the hotel room.
Is this because it’s a last minute design change of just the port, but they opted to also change out the USB controller on the pros?
Or is this their new “16gb vs 128gb” upsell strategy?
Based on the presentation it seems like the USB3 controller is on-die for the A17 pro bionic chip. So rather than re-engineer the chip for the A16 they’ve shipped it on the cheap, they could add an external controller or re-engineer the die.
I’d bet next year all iphone models are USB3.
People will hate it, but it’s a very logical explanation
Maybe I’m lost but why will people hate it?
Because people would probably rather believe it’s some conspiracy by Apple to purposely nerf the cheaper iPhone.
Ah. Well if I’m not mistaken Lemmy is mostly Android / FOSS biased so I’m not surprised some people might have the “Apple bad” mindset. Honestly why do people care what products other people use? I read a comment the other day about an Android user despairing that some feature Google is implementing (don’t remember which) might make some Android users jump ship to Apple… Ok who cares? Why so much emotional investment in something so trivial? It sounds just as crazy when you flip it, “Oh no some of my Apple friends are switching to Android or PC” …. A phone is an everyday appliance. Do you care what brand your neighbor’s kitchen appliances are? That’s how you should feel about phones IMHO.
It’s not quite that simple when you’re talking about a company with huge market share like that because the decisions they make go on to effect the market as a whole, look at headphone jacks, or screen notches for example. Not saying this is only apples fault, companies following their lead are just as bad or worse in some cases.
We can see it happening again with the removal of Sim cards, sure it won’t effect me, but if it becomes more industry standard, it will; and I like physical Sims (though that argument is not for here).
In my opinion it is important to know and criticize market leaders to try to avoid those changes becoming industry norm. To use your example, I would care about what whiteware my neighbours buy if the shitty decisions they make come back to effect me down the road. Look at the criticism of smart TVs and how hard it is to get a top featured “dumb Tvs” now.
iphones are status symbols so they get to be ascribed w the same emotional irrationality that other status symbols get like cars and clothes.
Yeah it appears like they are differentiating the high end phones with the latest SoC and giving the core phones the previous year’s chip. You get whatever the old chip had and next year’s iPhone 16 will get the A17 and all the features that includes.
Except several (non M1 iPads) have USB 3.1 already….
I’d have to see a teardown, but I’d imagine with all the extra space in the iPads, they could stick a separate controller board in there. Phones are a bit harder to do that with, especially if it’s a last minute change.
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Did you even read my comment?
Several NON-M1 iPads have USB 3.1. Even the iPad mini on the A15 supports usb 3.1.
Sorry I missed the “non” part. In that case either they’re using a different die which is definitely possible seeing as they’re clocked lower than the iphone counterparts or they’re utilising an external USB controller.
It’s their, use iCloud for data transfer instead of usb strategy
All that sweet, sweet data
Or, you know, wifi.
WiFi is basically dialup compared to USB 3.1 speeds.
But much faster than USB 2.0.
You’re not going to transfer much at faster than wifi speeds for very long on a phone.
Yes, that’s why it’s bad that it’s 2.0.
…but doesn’t matter very much.
Man I tried wifi syncing for quite a while and had nothing but problems with it. It was a disaster.
It’s to force people to pay for iCloud storage rather than keep files locally on their PC. That, and nothing else. No other phone in this price range still has USB 2.0, and most haven’t for a very long time.
I don’t know any Apple users who actually use the cable. iCloud is effortless.
I don’t think it’s so much to force people to pay for storage insomuch as only people shooting 4k 60 long videos or people with very poor internet actually plug in to transfer data.
I would hate plugging my phone into my computer even if it were instant.
Yeah, why would you love doing something that takes literally only two seconds to do? So stupid.
Because I have to think about it and remember to do it. And have enough storage in my laptop that it can store all my full res files and bring that with me everywhere.
And hope my laptop doesn’t get stolen again. Or have a plan to back that up.
I currently do literally nothing and all my photos and videos are seamlessly everywhere.
I’m not sure I understand how anyone could think syncing over a cable is a better solution.
iCloud backups and photo sync is amazing, especially while traveling. I can be almost anywhere and break or lose or hVe my phone stolen and lose virtually no data anywhere in the world.
My photos and videos are backed up as soon as I take them, not 12 hours later when I plug into a computer, if I remember to and no one steals it in the hotel room.
Typical dumb iPhone user
They may have had a contract for a certain number of chips for lightning and they’re using them in the lower iPhones instead of taking a loss.
The old chips are on a larger node and cheaper to make. They are reserving the expensive chips for the expensive phone to save margin.
They also may simply not have had enough supply of chips for the newer iPhones
That too. But likely just engineered premium.