Summary
Ukraine fired US-made ATACMS missiles into Russia’s Bryansk region, marking the first time Ukraine has used these longer-range weapons to strike targets deep inside Russia.
The attack comes after the Biden administration authorized Ukraine to use these weapons against targets inside Russia.
In response, President Putin updated Russia’s nuclear doctrine, labeling aggression from non-nuclear states supported by nuclear powers as a joint attack on Russia.
Some notes, to help folks stay better informed:
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Ukraine has been firing ATACMS into “Russia” (occupied and annexed Crimea) for a good year already, without World War 3 breaking out
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Ukraine has its own missiles too (mostly cruise, not ballistic, but they had at least a few dozen Soviet-made “Tochka” SRBMs) and they’ve been firing those at high value targets in Russia from day one of getting invaded, it’s simply that their supplies of Tochka have almost entirely run out, and their home-grown missile industry is a big fat target for Russian attacks (despite which Ukraine produces missiles, but currently not ballistic missiles of a practically usable sort)
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ATACMS is effective and practical, with a cluster warhead it has shown ability of taking out Russian air defense batteries (S-400 and such), which are difficult targets to attack
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this time too, air defense failed to stop them and they caused secondary detonations at a large ammunition storage site
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since Russia is still attempting to conquer Ukraine, now with added North Korean soldiers sent by their dictator, there continues to be plentiful ground for other countries to supply Ukraine with more advanced stuff to fire at the invaders, lest they invade more of Ukraine or start invading elsewhere
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foreign ballistic missiles that Russia has fired into Ukraine include North Korean and Iranian missiles, so foreign-made BMs flying about is ordinary stuff in this war
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Hold on to your butts.
Pork butts? Mmmmm
Wth is grandpa doing? Please ffs let’s not start ww3 in the last 2 months .
Or civil war in the next 4 years
I wonder what the mental calculus about this is, considering that Biden knows a fucking moron is going to have to handle the fallout
I think he know Trump is going to help Russia in every way possible, so he might as well let Ukraine get since more serious hits in now while they can
yeah… with ukraine already talking diplomatic peace talks, i think they’re just trying to use the next 60 days to get the best possible terms
I think he’s delivering on his promises to the MIC to maximize the money they invested in him before Trump enters office. If he gets us wrapped up in a conflict that requires deployment of US troops, so much the better for the stockholders depending on the Federal Government to get us as involved as possible.
Trump, while he did it for the wrong reasons, did pull the US military out of foreign wars during his first term. I imagine Raytheon and Boeing and Lockheed definitely do not want that.
Trump, while he did it for the wrong reasons, did pull the US military out of foreign wars during his first term.
Lol, my dude… You do remember he also ended the nuclear agreement with Iran and then assassinated their most idolized military commander?
The pretext of Israel’s ethnic cleansing is to rope America into a hot war with Iran. Trump is and has always been great for the mic.
Such a bad take.
Lol, my dude… You do remember he also ended the nuclear agreement with Iran and then assassinated their most idolized military commander?
I recall, yes.
It feels very odd to watch an American president do correct things for the wrong reasons. It’s much more familiar to watch people like Bush, Obama, and Biden doing the wrong things for reasons that aren’t provided to the public, because the narratives given around US wars are nearly always false.
feels very odd to watch an American president do correct things for the wrong reasons.
Lol, war with Iran… A correct thing?
No, I’m referring to getting us out of Afghanistan and Syria specifically.
But you’ve noted, surely, that the US does largely support war with Iran by funneling WMD’s to Israel, right? Unless you voted Green, you explicitly lent your support to it via your ballot.
No, I’m referring to getting us out of Afghanistan and Syria specifically.
Oh yeah, how are the people in those two countries doing now?
you’ve noted, surely, that the US does largely support war with Iran by funneling WMD’s to Israel, right?
Yeah, it was pretty much guaranteed after the pull out from the nuclear deal…almost like elections have consequences.
Unless you voted Green, you explicitly lent your support to it via your ballot.
Lol, it’s a two party system. If you voted green you still lent your support to supporting a genocide, just in an incredibly stupid way.
We all pay taxes to a government supporting a genocide, some of us just don’t want it to get even worse.
Biden knows
Well…
Russia says there’s going to be no peace talks without recognizing the new boundaries so, might as well carve out a big part of Russia for the Ukraine
Ukraine*. “the Ukraine” is an outdated term coined by people who never recognized Ukraine’s cultural sovereignty
“The Ukraine” and “Kiev” were two outdated 80s terms I had to update in my head when the war started.
one of my best friends told me in 2020 it hurt her feelings a little when people used the term. not because they hurt her feelings, but because it meant societally, our understanding of her and her family’s struggles came predominantly from people who hated them. it’s worth relearning for the people it effects.
thats the spirit.
Personally, I don’t want WW3 for stupid Ukraine.
Territorial freeze where they at works for me, just hope they don’t start a ww3Give up a chunk of your own country to “apease” putin then. What do you think about that? Maybe Alaska if you’re American?
It’s Russia the agressor, not Ukraine.
Look its geopolitics/ real politics whatever u want to call it.
I hope u not gonna deny that US funded that overthrow in Ukraine and otherwise meddled there for decades?
Ukraine borders Russia so I can understand they don’t want hostile state right there, especially with nuclear ambitions. So what followed is just what followed.Imo deal was pretty fair for them in the beginning, but as zelensky refused to settle - well body costs got higher so now it’s going to have to be territorial losses and they going to get higher with time.
Imo Ukraine can’t win this and Trump agrees,so might as well settle it. Imo conditions for Ukrainians are more than fair - Russia gives them citizenship, all the native rights, it’s very different from how Israeli treat Palestinians for example - pure genicide
Sorry what? Can you clarify why it’s reasonable to lose part of your country’s sovereignty?
I hope u not gonna deny that US funded that overthrow in Ukraine
In 2014, while Ukrainians were busy rioting by tens of thousands - about their government abandoning the EU association treaty - most of the world was entirely unprepared for taking even a firm political position about the events. After all, Yanukovich was a legitimate president who had only recently resorted to violence. Nobody had expected a revolution over a trade agreement, but he sparked it by having the folks protesting at Maidan beaten and dispersed. If he had talked or compromised with them, history would be considerably different.
As for who eventually took advantage of the situation - well, it was Putin. He used the opportunity to occupy Crimea (while denying that it was occurring) and to start an armed insurrection in Eastern Ukraine (the initiators were well known GRU people, including the now jailed Girkin).
I’m not sure where you get your information, but your source is not competent on Eastern Europe. The US is a far clumsier creature than you imagine (perhaps you expect today’s US to have the manners of the 1960-ties) while Putin’s regime has rarely had any second thoughts, and has been quick to draw and fire, because there’s only one brain making decisions, and he’s been in the Kremlin for decades now…
so I can understand they don’t want hostile state right there, especially with nuclear ambitions.
Nuclear ambitions? Are you even aware that Ukraine gave away its nuclear weapons to a friendly Russia, at a time when nobody even imagined Russia invading Ukraine? In return, though, it received security guarantees, both from the US and Russia. It also handed Russia its strategic bombers - because why have them - and intercontinental ballistic missiles - because what’s the use.
Before Putin entered the path of annexing parts of Ukraine, nobody had any reason to consider Ukraine and Russia to be hostile to each other. You can consult the old polls. The people considered each other brothers, until Putin exploited the confusion of a revolution in Ukraine, starting the invasion he’s now trying to finish. During the years 2014-2022, he gradually became dictator in Russia and brainwashed people into considering Ukrainians enemies. His goal? Making Russia great again, and he felt Russia couldn’t be great without the resources of Ukraine.
However today, after Russia has spent 1000 days grinding meat, I bet that several European countries do indeed want nuclear weapons - without admitting it openly, of course. Because apparently, conventional weapons don’t really deter Putin.
Imo conditions for Ukrainians are more than fair - Russia gives them citizenship, all the native rights,
Sorry, but your sentence is laughable. Apparently, you are entirely unaware of the situation in the occupied territories, or in Russia. In Russia, you can get 5 years quite easily for criticizing the war. In the occupied territories, you just disappear if you get in someone’s way. Even most of the fallen Russian soldiers just “go missing”, so nobody would have to pay their relatives. The “native rights” of Russians at the moment are heading quickly towards rock bottom, and might only have some glamour if you offered them to North Koreans.
My recommendation: get informed first. And if your preferred way of getting informed is Facebook, Twitter or YouTube, then before going, be aware that such sites are algorithmically steering you towards material you’re predicted to like and engage with. Encyclopedias where one is required to cite sources, and mainstream media (some of it anyway) where a person can be held responsible for spreading falsehoods - they exist for a reason.
This is just a list of grievances and false accusations - which I don’t care about.
My concern - I don’t believe war against China can be won when they are 80 miles from Taiwan and we are what - how many thousands? Logisitcs can’t be done, Trump agrees.
Same is with Ukraine - I do not need them. My concern is I don’t want america be involved with this crap and cause ww3. The end. Ukraine has nothing for me - force them to settle and end this.
If u personally wanna fight - then go join up, I don’t care. I don’t want to, my life is comfortable.
Make sure to add some salt to your next mouthful of vatnik propaganda
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I moved my car several times in the time it took for this to happen. How about approve things, fire the weapons and then wait 3 days to let everyone know?
Ya, at least they didn’t leak they were permitted to hit more than Kurdk oblast.
