• msage@programming.dev
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    1 day ago

    Yes, I hate it.

    Use Mint - it works better than Ubuntu, Canonical has made enough ‘mistakes’ to get on the blacklist.

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      1 day ago

      So basically, Ubuntu just with a different name and paint job. (I’ve used them both)

      We are all at the most basic level, running pretty much the same kernel, one of the same small handful of desktop environments, and we choose from the same pool of software, (unless you need to get out into the weeds for a program on git hub). Everything else is either window dressing, (package mangers are window dressing-- they all do the same basic thing), or a choice on just how close to the bleeding edge we want to be, (rolling releases or immutable).

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        1 day ago

        No snap by default is on its own a huge difference. Far from window dressing.

        If you give a new user snaps, many things will not work as they expect, and that is not a hurdle beginners should have to pass.

        Nobody cares about kernel, I don’t even know anyone who builds their own (I use Gentoo btw), they either go bleed, or stable, nothing in between.

        But package delivery matters a lot.

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          9 hours ago

          It’s still the same function at the base level-- to deliver and install/remove, in an easy manor, whatever software package the user wants to use/remove. Whether it’s a good system or not, is a separate issue.

          Every Ubuntu based distro I’ve tested allows snaps. The highly touted beginner’s distro Linux Mint sure does. Even Fedora can use snaps and Ubuntu can use flatpaks if you want to be that silly. I have tested that both ways and it worked. But it was merely OKish. It’s just Ubuntu pushes snaps and Fedora pushes flatpaks. So snaps aren’t as insular as you seem to think.

          For the user, there isn’t much difference between a snap, flatpak, deb, or rpm in use. The basic install or remove experience is meant to be the same, it’s supposed to be a carefully curated point and click. Even Gentoo’s portage is supposed to be simple for the user. The one other not quite as common, but a bit more universal installation method for users is the appImage package. I use several appImages because that’s the only way they are available. And personally, over the nearly 3 decades of fooling with Linux, I’ve had issues with all of the package management methods. I still have PTSD from being repeatedly caught in rpm hell back in the day or needing to compile from source. (Damn, I’m old)

          The longer I use Linux, the more I think that whatever distro you choose, it’s more a matter of how you personally vibe with that distro than anything intrinsically better than the rest of them. Just about everything else is window dressing.

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            9 hours ago

            Every container package delivery system will have issues with access - be it filesystem, other processes, whathaveyou.

            Which is not an issue you want beginners to face.

            Which is why I suggest Mint - which does not use snap by default at all. It just goes down much easier.