Summary
JD Vance criticized Denmark for failing to protect Greenland from Russian and Chinese incursions during a visit to the U.S. military base in Pituffik.
While pledging respect for Greenland’s sovereignty, Vance announced increased U.S. naval presence without expanding ground forces.
Trump echoed the need for Greenland’s strategic importance to global security.
Greenland’s new prime minister condemned the visit as disrespectful, and public protests opposed U.S. influence. Trump’s administration continues to push for stronger U.S. involvement in the mineral-rich Arctic region.
what in the fuck leads him believe that Greenland is in danger?
The only country threatening Greenland is his country.
Yes. That’s the very definition of a protection racket.
It’s a racket, a stick up job. “Nice country you’ve got, it would be a shame if anything happened to it. We can help you keep it safe, for a price.”
Projection
Also, why do they get to talk like that when they’re threatening their owm neighbours and former allies.
The US made agreement with Denmark to do this in 1951. Instead, the US has gone from 10000 personel to 200 and closed the majority of their bases. From 17 to 1 base.
This is Danish foreign minister on the subject after it being clear that JD Vance has no idea what he’s talking about
Ah, the Russia playbook. Make up a boogie man and claim you’re saving the country from the boogie man. Krasnov is a bit too predictable.
Who exactly is the intended audience?
Same as it ever is. Their Russian handlers and their mouth breathing, Nazi loving supporters.
Vance says whatever he’s told to say.
And his traitorous wife
IDK man. they seemed to keep the Russian assets out from their recent publicity tour.
Russia can’t even easily annex confining countries with lots of roads and rails, how they would even try to get to Greenland with all those NATO countries in the middle.
China would even need to circumnavigate the Americas to reach it
I feel there’s another dictatorship that’s more dangerous than those two
In the middle? Have you ever seen a globe? They would go across the Arctic.
That’s why there are American airbases and NATO radar stations up there.
But then you need to buy into the conspiracy theory that the earth is round
Have Russia and China ever threatened Greenland? Because I can only think of one country that actually has.
Looks like they updated the title: “Vance accuses Denmark of not keeping Greenland safe from Russia, China”
But really, journalists don’t need to pretend any of this is legitimate. Add a “dubiously” in there. This is obviously not a sincere complaint. Stop assuming good faith just because he’s got an official title.
But really, journalists don’t need to pretend any of this is legitimate.
In 2016, I would have agreed with you. I think now, journalists’ personal safety might be at risk if they don’t fall in line.
Plenty of other journalists posting anti Trump content without problem. If you’re too scared to use words to mildly criticize power, you shouldn’t be a journalist in the first place. They didn’t become cowards due to Trump’s new hyper fascism, they’ve been like that the whole time.
Kind of a moot point I guess. You’re right, they were always cowards.
Journalists need to quit acting as uncritical flying monkeys for the fascists’ DARVO tactics.
They paid almost 3 percent and now are upping it TO 3 percent of their total gdp on defense. They are in line with it.
Vance and trump are so ego based and dumb af.
Denmark 0.97 1.09 2.16 1.95 1.49 1.85 1.84 4.08 3.07 2.64 2.29 (2014-2024estimated)
Source: https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2024/6/pdf/240617-def-exp-2024-en.pdfConsidering that the “old” benchmark was 2%… They didn’t even make that number for years. Only stepping up and consistently paying when Russia actually started their invasion. And even then they are rapidly regressing back to the 2% number.
I was wondering about the average so I came back, turns out it’s over 2 percent.
So what your telling me, Is they’ve been paying?
No. I’m telling you that “They paid almost 3 percent” is bullshit. I’m telling you that you’re lying. I make no claim for anything else other than you’re full of shit. You’re making shit up to complain about “orange man” and not looking at what’s actually made them pay. Which was Russian aggression.
And no, you can’t just take the average when there’s a clear pivot point of an event. Someone had to make up the shortfall in the pre-Russian invasion time-frame. That wasn’t just free. They were average 1.6% in the 6 years prior to Russian invasion of Ukraine. Well below the benchmark.
But wait! Turns out I copied and pasted the wrong table… I grabbed it from a page down because I was an idiot and scrolled too far!
Here’s the real data… Denmark 1.15 1.11 1.15 1.14 1.28 1.30 1.38 1.30 1.37 2.01 2.37
1.556% as an average… with pre-invasion looking closer to 1.2%
So even now they barely make the benchmark even after Russian invasion (post-invasion averages 1.7%). So not only are you really full of shit, but you’re SUPER full of shit. They’ve never paid anything close to 3%. Let alone actually maintaining their 2%.
Edit: fixed wording to be more clear on post Russian invasion benchmark.
Can Greenland’s leaders tell our idiots in charge to fuck themselves? Make that an official statement too
They kinda did; that’s why he visited just the base, without his wife.
People in Greenland and Denmark:
the problem with the fascists’ imperialist ideas of conquest is that they are all based on kernels of truth, it’s how they appeal to their base.
attack them there, not in the space of rational discourse in which they are advantaged. they hold no respect for reality or the truth.
Could you elaborate with regards to this specific example?
Russia is a threat to Greenland = true
Leaving Denmark weakens Greenland’s security though
So the idea that leaving would make them more secure is false
sure.
greenland is historically and definitely a part of denmark. then again, the sudetenland was definitely a part of bohemia/czechia.
the united states is in a position to undertake an imperial conquest. i won’t claim any veracity for how long they might be able to hold on to any gains made, but they can make gains. i see a lot of people who live in places that are in the warpath of the trump party wanting to reject this idea online, sometimes out of ignorance, sometimes out of pride, sometimes for other reasons. the fact of the matter is that what the neofascist movement has been able to wrestle control of is the single largest, deadliest, and most effective military in the history of the earth. this isn’t american nationalism, it’s a rational analysis of the situation. most strategic flukes (eg, withdrawal from afghanistan) in america’s recent history have nothing to do with the military’s intrinsic capabilities; it has everything to do with american inexperience in the practice of imperialism. the military itself is actually like, incredibly fucking competent
the only other power on earth of any similar degree is china. china has essentially engaged in a neocolonial economic conquest of africa over the course of the 21st century, reasserting historical norms of chinese preeminence over global affairs. do you really think they will be any better than the americans? no. they seek blood and iron as well.
europe is not in a position to defend itself from america right now. i hope europeans realize this and vote in their own best interest to readily establish a pan european army as soon as possible. i know this is a controversial subject over there. but, this is the reality we live in.
I am so tired of the fucking usa, wish they would just implode, fuck off, and leave everyone alone.
All I can say is that it isn’t all of us.
The south have been like this since the founding, we took away their slaves and they never forgave us.
Unfortunately social media means they aren’t contained in their hell hole anymore, and we no longer have the strength to stop them.
Maybe the measles will take em down
I live there and basically… Yeah. I mean, it feels like we are on a direct course for implosion.
Sorry the rest of you have to deal with our bullshit.
It would be cool if you and your fellow citizens (millions of you, not just the handful who have been shouting into the wind so far) got together and did something to prevent that implosion.
Yeah I mean totally, all of that. If you got any idea how to rally a bunch of spineless dumbasses who let every chance to do something slip through their fingers I’m all ears. The politicians opposing Trump seem to wanna sit on their hands until it all magically blows over on its own, and the average citizen is too busy watching reality tv to get off their butts and do anything remotely uncomfortable. I’m living the prophecy of idiocracy and its driving me insane
If you got any idea how to rally a bunch of spineless
I don’t understand Americans and how to motivate them.
I would hope an actual American would have a better idea about that than this Canadian dude…
I have to apologize. Venting is one thing, but I don’t think I really have an excuse for that, so I’m going to leave it there and maybe I’ll learn something. Having said that, the position this has put me in has been a nightmare to say the least. And I know I’m not the only one. The shit I’ve had to do in the last month alone to prepare for possible shtf is insane, and it’s far from over. If it was just me alone, I’d be ok, but it’s not. Just fuck. Sorry.
No worries, I get it. This shit is terrible, and while its not all Americans, its embarrassing how many of us are for the craziness. I always knew I was surrounded by dumbasses but holy shit, its way worse than I ever expected.
its embarrassing how many of us are for the craziness.
It should also be embarrassing how few of you are actively fighting back against the collapse of your own country.
Those few hundred person protests? They should be millions. And they should be constant.
That’s the only way you’ll reclaim your country from the fascists who are taking it over and destroying ~250 years of progress.
As another US person, I don’t think you have anything for which you should apologize. Everyone, everywhere, should be angry about what the US is doing - internally and externally. I would never think it’s wrong to say “I wish Nazi Germany had imploded before it became WWII and mass murder”; Nazi US is no different.
It’s terrifying to be here but I don’t think anyone should be quiet about how awful this is.
Hugs to you, friend. I hope we all come out of this okay.
I feel like i need to print T-shirts or make an alias username to say, “I’m sorry we suck.”
As a citizen of fucking USA, I keep expecting to wake up one morning with bombs being dropped on us. And frankly, I fully welcome the bombs. Whatever keeps my family from reliving concentration camps.
I’ve often wondered how I would have acted during the Nazi invasion of Poland. Apparently, the answer is “become paralyzed with fear and thank my luck every day that they didn’t come for me.”
I’ve spent so much of my life trying to honor my family who died in the Holocaust by teaching kids about their lives and explaining how complacency will allow it to happen again. Yet here I am, metaphorically hiding under a blanket telling myself “but if the monster comes to get me, you know I’ll get them then!”
I hate living through all this and grown to hate myself over the snivelling inactive role I play.
I keep waiting for mass resistance to kick off so I can join in, but it never does.
That’s the thing. There are probably a lot of people thinking the exact same thing, you just haven’t found each other.
Be the change you want to see.
Organize.
Will probably happen sooner than we think.
For real. Get me out of here man I don’t wanna die in a failed state
I doubt any countries are lining up to take in the average U.S. citizen
They’re not. I will probably die in a failed state
