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    Seems pretty conclusive.

    Doesn’t mean that Israel should continue the genocide, just that Hamas sucks: which we already knew.

    Until this apartheid state is dismantled the violence can’t stop: both sides are bound to keep fighting with each other.

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    It’s definitely suspicious that there are no munitions remnants available for analysis. You would think there would be something. If there is anything, independent investigators need to be given access. Otherwise, the perception of impropriety will color peoples’ analyses.

    But the idea this has been “concluded” doesn’t seem correct either.

    As stated in this article, Al Jazeera, Channel 4, and Forensic Architecture reached conclusions that the air explosion shows the rocket was intercepted and destroyed, not misfired, and there is no causal link between the air explosion and ground explosion at the hospital.

    The AP analysis argued against this, but did in fact note this was a possibility. I believe the CNN and others use the same arguments and resources as preliminary OSINT analyses.

    Now, GeoConfirmed and other OSINT accounts (Oliver Alexander) are backtracking from their early hypotheses and concluding the Al Jazeera claim is in fact the likely scenario, arguing that the intercepted explosion is too far away from the hospital to be connected. They still think a rocket is the “likely” cause, however.

    I wonder if we will ever know what happened for sure, but there is definitely more to this story.

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      It’s definitely suspicious that there are no munitions remnants available for analysis.

      No munitions. No 500 dead. No destroyed hospital. No bomb crater. But Hamas said it, so it must be right. This whole thing has been an absolute clown show of incompetence from the worlds press.

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    Will this change any Hamas supporter’s mind that they are not to be trusted? No, because their minds were made up the moment they started supporting them.

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      Please don’t confuse hamas supporters with supporters of Palestine. Two totally different things.

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          Okay so who’s a Hamas supporter? Because I’ve never met anyone so far who supports them, to the point that this sounds like a strawman.

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            People protesting in Berlin, yelling antisemitic slurs, handing out candy to celebrate the deaths of Israelis. Those Hamas supporters. People like that are few but ubiquitous.

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      Funny how anyone who’s suspicious of Israel’s far-right, militaristic government is a “Hamas supporter”.

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        Found suspicious by who? Dumbasses on the internet? As long as it’s the not the government, I have a right to call out BB’s dumbassery that sure didn’t help this situation.

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          It’s so absurd that it seems plausible to anyone that israel was the perpetrator! Nor that they had bombed hospitals and other buildings full of civilians before, or that they were dropping thousands of bombs a day on a densely populated city and it was entirely foreseeable that some would end up where they were not supposed to.

          /s, necessary because of the limited capabilities of the zionists.

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            That hospital bombing you’re referring to wasn’t them. And are they the perpetrators of that Hamas attack? Fuck no, the responsibility lies squarely on Hamas’ shoulders.

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      Yeah, it is nearly impossible to dismantle a belief system like this. Just like it is with extreme (both left and right) political beliefs.

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    Ah, the new York times, known for its journalistic integrity, inspiring such onion headlines as

    “It Is Journalism’s Sacred Duty To Endanger The Lives Of As Many Trans People As Possible”

    https://www.theonion.com/it-is-journalism-s-sacred-duty-to-endanger-the-lives-of-1850126997

    Also well known for being on the right side of history/s https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/iraq-war-media-fail-matt-taibbi-812230/amp/

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    Fuck the tankies that garggled on Hamas balls on this one. Complete mask off moment. Especially when the evidence was so clear that it wasn’t Israel within 4 hours of the report. Absolute embarassment from “progressives.”

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      honestly this comment gives me the same feel as the tankies. There was certainly enough that it was debatable but withing 4 hours it was not “so clear”. My issue was with anyone claiming some sort of slam dunk on one party in the short term.

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          all those videos while filmed within four hours were not available. First day I think I only saw one and it was days before more were taken into account. Point is suggesting folks on the internet can figure this out within four hours of the attack is rediculous. Especially when you are getting many more types of “evidence” from various sides. I myself wasted a few hours with a guy posting on israeli bomb types and such.

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      Grow up. That’s how breaking news works, especially in an area with masses of refugees and bombings. People can’t calmly investigate facts in Gaza right now. Rumors can get spun out of control. A better picture is only formed several days after an event. That’s just the nature of the news everywhere.

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        They could at least check if the hospital is still standing before claiming that Israel destroyed it. When your only source is Hamas, don’t treat it as truth.

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        Nah, tankies still claim the IDF did it. They don’t care about truth. If they saw something that isn’t “Israel bad America bad” they’d sooner rip out their eyes than admit they were wrong. Hell I’m arguing with a tankie right now that is saying those Israeli kids that died in the Hamas attack desevered it and that no Isreali is a civilian. They openly welcome genocide of people they dislike. They praise it and encourage it

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    And everyone else has failed to make a case it wasn’t Israel…

    You won’t know that if you just read headlines, because headlines misrepresented the actual quotes in the articles…

    Edit:

    Yep, got a couple examples of headlines misrepresenting quotes…

    Weird how many people want different requirements for Palestine and Israel