cross-posted from: https://sh.itjust.works/post/41402388
Please support the initiative of Stop Killing Games!
I can’t wait for this to effectively do nothing oe alternatively kill games that have an online only capability that refuse to devote work to force a single player model/release their netcode.
This is the stupidest, well intentioned movement I’ve seen in awhile and the fervor behind it is a waste. You know what you want but refuse to understand why it can’t happen. You chase the past not realizing you can never go back.
This is most republican shit I’ve ever seen. “Make games great again!” Jesus.
No need to be so salty. Maybe instead just read what skg really is about because you obviously have misunderstood it completely.
People are sitting on PS for giving a completely correct take. I’ve read SKG and even listened to what the petition owners have said. I’ve stayed in the loop which is why it’s so frustrating to watch people with noble intentions cannibalize people for telling you it’s not only misguided but impossible.
Legislation will not compel a dying company to release code that will let any random person breathe life back into it on their own whim. Period.
Legislation will not compel a dying company to release code
Well I guess then it’s a good thing that the petition doesn’t demand that.
Upon reading the UK version over again you’re right - it’s even worse. It states that companies no longer be allowed to ‘disable’ games which they often don’t do. They just stop maintaining them until the infrastructure for it disappears.
I expected at the very least gamers would have understood the problem they’re complaining about but I got ahead of myself. The only thing SKG might accomplish legally is to allow third parties to host servers at End of Life but the counter argument to that is cheaters using their own servers.
None of this is thought out. You’re demanding a solution be created AND implemented. This will go nowhere. Pirate Software was right and it’s stunning.
Upon reading the UK version over again you’re right
:)
it’s even worse.
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Why?
It states that companies no longer be allowed to ‘disable’ games which they often don’t do. They just stop maintaining them until the infrastructure for it disappears.
You’re close. Maybe read it again. Or something. I don’t know.
Maybe instead of being the condescending dickhead you and yours project onto Pirate Software, you could instead point out specifics since you’re advocating for it. I’m confident you can’t though since I’m sure you haven’t read shit, just listened to people slobber all over it.
Maybe we wouldn’t have to be such condescending dickheads if you cared to not make up stuff.
the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
That’s the core idea. Publishers should just make sure that after they milked their product it can somehow be run without their interference.
That doesn’t require sources. In fact, this doesn’t even state any method that is preferred. Could they release sources? Sure. They could also release server binaries. They could also patch out the connection to their servers and only leave people with local multiplayer mode or something. They could do whatever. The initiative doesn’t care.
The practice of licensing a product indefinitely but then just disabling it remotely is hostile to consumers. If they really, really want to keep their business model, they should sell licenses that are limited to a certain timeframe right from the start. Selling perpetual licenses and then disabling them without leaving consumers with any means to still access what they paid for shouldn’t be legal and probably isn’t.
Also this right here:
The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
Nobody wants your ip. Just don’t break stuff you sold.
Keep pushing. There are probably people using VPNs to sign the petition and those will get purged. Either from idiots who don’t know better or AAA studios trying to get people to stop now that it’s reached the goal. This is true for both the UK and EU petitions.
Both are past 100k now! I want to issue a special “fuck you” to all the idiot streamers that tried to kill SKG. And of course a special “go fuck yourself” to PirateSoftware and Asmongold for being fuckwit right wing tools for corporations. You have a special place in my heart as illiterate lapdogs to shitty corporations and right wing shills.
I know about PirateDouchebag, but I am not aware of Asmongold’s issue.
I apologize but, let’s say that I’ve living under a rock
Asmongold is a megaphone for shitty opinions. Like I posted elsewhere he’ll change his opinion if he gets called out, but the damage was done when he put it on the megaphone in the first place. His take on the “never play defense” is to not have any actual opinions when confronted then just go right back to saying other right wing bullshit.
I don’t like Asmon but my understanding is he supports SKG. Am I wrong?
Also I saw a clip of SomeOrdinaryGamers, which indicated that he tempered his support with a dash of (wrong) both-sides-ism. But it was only a clip.
Asmongold does that. Like the dude doesn’t have any real opinions other than what gets views. If he sees the winds changing he’ll pull a 180 in order to take the heat off himself. He also has hoards of followers and youtube minions to make him seem far more centerist than he is. He’s like the personification of the alt-right playbook for dummies.
I mean watch/listen to The Alt-Right Playbook series and tell me this is not what he does on a daily basis: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ
Asmonpoop is a moronic bum and people went from “this weirdo is strangely entertaining” to " let me hear what my moronic hobo-idol has to say about this".
It is a little bit like how people supported Drumpf as a joke first.
Hold on there buddy! There’s no reason to be derogatory towards hobos like that. I don’t think I’ve ever been quite so offended on the internet as to have someone associate my good (user)name with the likes of Asmongold. If you don’t bring that down a notch I’m gonna send the ghost of Woody Guthrie to haunt you until your dying days.
Pirate Software too.
They’re both such idiot trolls.
Still in disbelief people think SKG is going to work. The premise fucking genocides the MMORPG genre. You kill games by implementing this horrible understanding of how games work.
I have never seen more people support games who have no fucking idea how games work and it’s the most frustrating shit ever. Pirate Software is right. It’s not even a debate.
It doesn’t.
It just requires that you provide a verson people can host themselves if you take your game offline.
And if a company refuses? They’re dead anyway. This is not well thought out and PS called it out. You have no actionable solution but are calling for one to just appear.
If they refuse to make a totally reasonable addition to their game then yeah they can’t publish it wow what a concept.
Lol so just kill all MMORPGs. Got it. You’re so smart.
PirateSoftware is what dumb people thinks a smart person acts like. His audience can’t even pay attention unless he draws boxes in paint. I do understand how he can seem initially likeable, but of you watch him for more than a couple of hours you’ll see his knowledge isn’t shallower than a spilled glass of water.
They tried to kill it? Really? Like, “we must stop this from going forward!” In that way? Why would anyone attempt to stop it?
I still think this is going to fail. But I’m not trying to stop it. I hope it succeeds.
I also find the debate bros involved to be annoying.
Yep they actively campaigned against the petition because and fundamentally misrepresented it.
10 months ago PirateSoftware started a campaign against it starting here-ish: https://youtu.be/ioqSvLqB46Y
Also 10 months Asmongold did a react video that supported PirateSoftware: https://youtu.be/AhVsyhjcndw
PirateSoftware refused to acknowledge that he got several things wrong, and even refused to acknowledge it when confronted. He actively bans people with dissenting opinions in his stream so it wasn’t surprising that he refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. About a week ago Charlie (aka Penguinz0) confronted him about it and he still refused respond to basic factual inaccuracies: https://youtu.be/6sJpTCitKqw
Ross did a video talking about the whole thing last week as well: https://youtu.be/HIfRLujXtUo
There’s a lot more to it, but that’s the broad strokes. I hope PirateSoftware’s stream keeps declining until he is relegated to complete obscurity. Also, PirateSoftware can eat my entire ass.
The EU page started 404ing for me right when it should have hit 1 mil; are we being trolled?
Edit: nvm worked from desktop. Maybe just hug of death.
It is still getting hugged, I guess people are rushing to add their names now that it is a won battle.
I am a little worried that some of the surge in signatures has been botting, but I sincerely hope I’m wrong.
You need to identify yourself with a state issued form of identification so I doubt botting happened.
Not in every country. In about half of them, you only need to provide a name, address and date of birth.
Sheesh. Was jot aware of that. Still hope people were not dumb enough to bot it.
Some definitely were, but hopefully not too many. There’s still almost a whole month left to build up a solid buffer.
Well to be honest if the only info needed is like name and date of birth I could just enroll my whole family and technically all would be legitimate signatures right?
Can we do a stop killing children now?
This is a EU initiative but you’re free to create one in the US.
Because saving video games and stopping the killing of children are mutually exclusive???
I didn’t say they were. They are particularly useful for “hiding our heads” and forget about the shitty world. They play a big roll keeping me sane and I respect the art very much. I would just like to see the same kind of effort put into to it.
After you edited it, it is more clear now. You should have phrased it that way to begin with.
Didn’t edited mate but glad you read it positively.
But they yummy
99.09%🙏🙏
Fell asleep, woke up, suddenly there’s only 30k left on the EU initiative.
Now it’s just 20k
Only 4K!
Only -1800!
The Islanders finished there’s, but the EU one still has a ways to go!
946,944 currently, it’s almost there!
Its going quite quickly now though! 934k signatures
SIGN THE PETITION DAMMIT
I American’t sign European petitions
no worries, you can help as this will benefit you too. if you are on any online gaming comunities with Europeans, you can share the link.
Jesus what, a week or so ago this was dead in the water.
Nothing brings the internet together like hating a sexist self centered egotistical narcissist.
Seriously pirate has been an asshole for like 20 years. He’s been banned from furry communities, kicked out of second life communities, rejected from eve communities.
Now people are realizing how much of a scum bag he is in the streamer community.
The only upside his asshole self centeredness has draw crazy attention to the partition.
Wait what’s this story about him being banned from furry communities? That sounds like a really fun story to read lol
Who? I seriously have no idea who you’re talking about.
I honestly think that the main reason this has kicked off is that up until about a week ago it wasn’t really advertised. I didn’t even know that it started the petition up again, I knew the original one failed because parliament closed and for some reason that meant the petition had to end.
PirateSoftware (Thor) is a streamer and a game developer who is a narcissistic asshole. He’s been very against the SKG petition since I think the start since if it passed he would be forced to keep supporting his games once they fail (it’s happened before) and made a video trying to torpedo the petition some months ago by spreading disinformation that’s easily disproven with a halfway decent level of reading comprehension. Recently the guy who runs the SKG petition announced that Piratesoftware was successful, which caused a lot of big streamers and Youtubers to catch on and call PirateSofware out while endorsing SKG, including MoistCritikal. Since then the number of signings have skyrocketed.
Like the McRib and chlamydia, were back baby!
Don’t forget measles
And herpes! The gift that keeps on giving!
And Fashism!
Why are we all sleeping on the plague?
Hmmm? The UK isn’t part of the EU anymore so they won’t have much impact lol.
That’s why it was a completely separate, smaller one
Just threw me for a loop for a moment that it uses the same name and that this page displays links to both.
thats fair enough, it was a bit confusing for me at first too.
What’s funny about this whole thing is it’s almost like PirateSoftwares days in EVE Online when he invited everyone to Pochven space cause he thought he was hot shit and then proceeded to get his ass handed to him and he rage quit the game. He brought attention to something that ended up having the opposite effect of what he wanted.
Granted he was absolutely shit at EVE regardless of what he’s told his audience. couldn’t fit a ship to save his life, ran for CSM and no one voted for him, then rage quit when everyone and even his own corp proceeded to kick his teeth in.
Haha, holy shit. Somehow I had never connected that Piratesoftware was Maldavius. Yeah, that explains so, so very much of this entire SKG debacle.
I dont get it, what’s this got to do with the petition?
He was against it, which resulted in a lot of negative opinions about the bill and netting less votes because of it. It’s gone full Streisand effect.
PirateSoftware was critical of the initiative when it first started. Some people attribute its initial lack of success to his opposition.
He was later involved in some drama and his reputation fell, and the petition’s creator finally addressed his claims. Now the petition is having a second wind in its final hour
He wasn’t just critical of it, he spread misinformation about it. It was wild to watch someone be so completely and utterly wrong, then double and triple and quadruple down on it.
The Streisand Effect
Wow, I hadn’t even heard of that particular story of Thor being an egotistical asshat.
I’d been looking into the WoW debacle, then stumbled into other stuff, but nope, that one’s new to me.
I was in his corp (my old one merged with his, I had no idea who he was for quite a while), and this… isn’t exactly accurate. First, from what I remember, he left on okay terms with the corp.
There was a laundry list of issues with Pochven, a lot of them due to CCP just not bothering to fix issues that the players reported, and moving devs who did want to try and fix some of the issues to different areas of the game. It got to the point where it wasn’t economically viable to live in the area, which reduced how many ships we could field, and the number of people even willing to join.
CCP also took forever to decide on how wormholes interacted with the region, and changed those interactions frequently. Some of these were great, for instance there was a point where most of the wormholes linked to wormhole systems, and it was a complicated (and dangerous) dance to get people in and out of the region undetected. CCP ended up going with the worst possible interaction: many wormholes directly linked to nullsec space, where massive alliances could easily find them and send massive fleets through with little effort.
He wasn’t the only one to quit, to be honest I’m surprised he stayed for as long as he did given how he acts now.
Is Thor an egotistical narcissist? Absolutely. Was this a case of that? Not really
By the way, this is a statement he put out alongside the other two main groups in Pochven. I can tell you for a fact that 90+% of the players who spent most of their time in Pochven felt this move was absolutely justified*:
Edit* And the other ~10% disagreed with the destruction of the citadels, not the sentiment of the statement
Well hey, I very much appreciate more info from someone who was actually there!
The worst part it that this are far from the only two events. He has been kicked from several other guilds, for exactly the same narcissistic and egoistic behavior. If everywhere you go it smells like shit, at some point you have to start checking your own shoes. He is just always adamant that it’s other people’s fault that it smells like shit, when he has full diaper.
Yep.
There’s the whole… apparently when Thor was essentially high school to post high school age, he managed to cajole a younger SecondLife user, who was actually decently talented at creating like clothes and custom player models…
So in SecondLife, you can actually make real money that way, you can cash out the SecondLife currency for actual realworld money.
Yeah SecondLife was actually quite a pioneer in a lot of ways, from a technical and just ‘what even is a video game’ standpoint, lets say uh ‘eccentric’ community and reputation aside.
And Thor basically convinced this other SL user, who was like 5 years younger than him… that he could make them both more money as a sort of salesman, promoter, of this other persons user made content… if they profit share.
I may have some details wrong here, but basically… Thor did basically nothing in terms of promotion, yet he made a significant chunk of change off of this other person.
Because … SL just has basically a universal market you can list things in.
Like uh, Escape from Tarkov, or FF14’s auction house or what not, fully built into the game… but even more so as it actually allows you to cash out to real world money.
its not like you’d have to do some kind of technical wizardry to enable sales, its not like Thor whipped up some kind of gray/black market system / payment processor way back when PayPal was still a fairly new idea.
Alongside that, there were allegations of basically ERP going waaay too far.
Now, this other person has I think entirely denied any kind of ERP abuse, sexual or just normal relationship abuse, says everything was fine…
But a good number of people seem to think that the essentially digital labor theft Thor did, basically amounts to its own kind of grooming, exploitation.
Don’t call him Thor call him what he is, a loser. Sullying the good name of Norse gods.
… As best I can tell…
He actually, legally changed his first name to Thor.
And he has gone by Thor for… at least 5 years?.. in his Twitch streaming career.
I fully agree this is an insult to the old Gods, but … Thor is apparently literally his actual name.
His older username / online handle was ‘Maldavius Figtree’ or something like that, can’t say I am aware of his actual birth name.
Is there a clip of this somewhere?
Keep going! Who knows how many signatures will be ruled as invalid.
Good job UK ! Now cancel Brexit and vote for the EU one !
The hostility from the EU about the UK rejoining (especially from France) tells me that’s not likely to happen.
Good. States shouldn’t be able to just go out on a whim and immediately go back in again like it’s a revolving door. The consequences should be severe for leaving. Otherwise voters in other member states will pull this shit as well, because they think they can just rejoin when the next pro EU government comes around. Also many voters in the UK voted for leave as a protest vote not because they actually wanted to leave. They didn’t understand the ramifications of their vote. Let the UK be the example of what a protest vote can cause.
Watched this, was very enlightening
I knew once kliksphilip makes a video about it would be one of the best ones to communicate the intent of the initiative.
