• seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Nothing brings the internet together like hating a sexist self centered egotistical narcissist.

      Seriously pirate has been an asshole for like 20 years. He’s been banned from furry communities, kicked out of second life communities, rejected from eve communities.

      Now people are realizing how much of a scum bag he is in the streamer community.

      The only upside his asshole self centeredness has draw crazy attention to the partition.

      • argarath@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Wait what’s this story about him being banned from furry communities? That sounds like a really fun story to read lol

      • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Who? I seriously have no idea who you’re talking about.

        I honestly think that the main reason this has kicked off is that up until about a week ago it wasn’t really advertised. I didn’t even know that it started the petition up again, I knew the original one failed because parliament closed and for some reason that meant the petition had to end.

        • ssillyssadass@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          PirateSoftware (Thor) is a streamer and a game developer who is a narcissistic asshole. He’s been very against the SKG petition since I think the start since if it passed he would be forced to keep supporting his games once they fail (it’s happened before) and made a video trying to torpedo the petition some months ago by spreading disinformation that’s easily disproven with a halfway decent level of reading comprehension. Recently the guy who runs the SKG petition announced that Piratesoftware was successful, which caused a lot of big streamers and Youtubers to catch on and call PirateSofware out while endorsing SKG, including MoistCritikal. Since then the number of signings have skyrocketed.

  • RealFknNito@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 days ago

    I can’t wait for this to effectively do nothing oe alternatively kill games that have an online only capability that refuse to devote work to force a single player model/release their netcode.

    This is the stupidest, well intentioned movement I’ve seen in awhile and the fervor behind it is a waste. You know what you want but refuse to understand why it can’t happen. You chase the past not realizing you can never go back.

    This is most republican shit I’ve ever seen. “Make games great again!” Jesus.

    • Asetru@feddit.orgEnglish
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      7 days ago

      No need to be so salty. Maybe instead just read what skg really is about because you obviously have misunderstood it completely.

      • RealFknNito@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 days ago

        People are sitting on PS for giving a completely correct take. I’ve read SKG and even listened to what the petition owners have said. I’ve stayed in the loop which is why it’s so frustrating to watch people with noble intentions cannibalize people for telling you it’s not only misguided but impossible.

        Legislation will not compel a dying company to release code that will let any random person breathe life back into it on their own whim. Period.

        • Asetru@feddit.orgEnglish
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          6 days ago

          Legislation will not compel a dying company to release code

          Well I guess then it’s a good thing that the petition doesn’t demand that.

          • RealFknNito@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            6 days ago

            Upon reading the UK version over again you’re right - it’s even worse. It states that companies no longer be allowed to ‘disable’ games which they often don’t do. They just stop maintaining them until the infrastructure for it disappears.

            I expected at the very least gamers would have understood the problem they’re complaining about but I got ahead of myself. The only thing SKG might accomplish legally is to allow third parties to host servers at End of Life but the counter argument to that is cheaters using their own servers.

            None of this is thought out. You’re demanding a solution be created AND implemented. This will go nowhere. Pirate Software was right and it’s stunning.

            • Asetru@feddit.orgEnglish
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              5 days ago

              Upon reading the UK version over again you’re right

              :)

              it’s even worse.

              sigh

              Why?

              It states that companies no longer be allowed to ‘disable’ games which they often don’t do. They just stop maintaining them until the infrastructure for it disappears.

              You’re close. Maybe read it again. Or something. I don’t know.

              • RealFknNito@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                5 days ago

                Maybe instead of being the condescending dickhead you and yours project onto Pirate Software, you could instead point out specifics since you’re advocating for it. I’m confident you can’t though since I’m sure you haven’t read shit, just listened to people slobber all over it.

                • Asetru@feddit.orgEnglish
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                  5 days ago

                  Maybe we wouldn’t have to be such condescending dickheads if you cared to not make up stuff.

                  the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.

                  That’s the core idea. Publishers should just make sure that after they milked their product it can somehow be run without their interference.

                  That doesn’t require sources. In fact, this doesn’t even state any method that is preferred. Could they release sources? Sure. They could also release server binaries. They could also patch out the connection to their servers and only leave people with local multiplayer mode or something. They could do whatever. The initiative doesn’t care.

                  The practice of licensing a product indefinitely but then just disabling it remotely is hostile to consumers. If they really, really want to keep their business model, they should sell licenses that are limited to a certain timeframe right from the start. Selling perpetual licenses and then disabling them without leaving consumers with any means to still access what they paid for shouldn’t be legal and probably isn’t.

                  Also this right here:

                  The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.

                  Nobody wants your ip. Just don’t break stuff you sold.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 days ago

        Whats wrong with PirateSoftware? He runs a ferret rescue which doesn’t claim any tax incentives and he teaches people about security and ethics, I’ve never heard of him having beef with anyone.

        • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          Everyone has beef with him literally everyone. But he makes sure to ban from anything he can to keep them out of his chat or other places his community gathers.

          Hes been grifting lying and grooming since second life. He just changes his name and moves to a new community when shit blows up in his face and it becomes too much of a problem.

          His entire professional shtick is to make sure people don’t learn about his past and to lie and make himself look good

        • parody@lemmings.worldEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Yeah he seems pretty positive and helpful, so did his bias mislead him on this one?

          Also I wasn’t even sure he was still a huge fan of his former employer—but now that I think of it I guess he was really pleased with his time there, cuz he’s proud of his ban wave strategies and stuff

          • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            9 days ago

            Pirate has a history of, grooming, digital labor theft, lying, sexism, scamming, being an asshole, to name a few things.

            Hell his current persona isn’t even his first one. He never actually worked on blizzards security team, he was a support staff. Half his stories have been proven to be lies.

            About the only thing that’s true is family connections got him a job there.

            But the man his a raging narcissist and a grifter. The whole pirate software persona is just his latest grift.

          • Bongles@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            10 days ago

            He tends to be condescending, toxic, and dishonest. I happened to watch this video the other day that covers a fair bit of stuff including the stop killing games petitions, if you’ve got 20 minutes.

            https://youtube.com/watch?v=R-RaQZPzhqU

            Things like

            • completely misrepresenting the stop killing games initiative.
            • bitching for quite a while that “someone” pulled a mob during a world of warcraft raid causing a wipe, going back to see who it was to remove them, seeing it was himself and then justifying why it was now the right call.
            • running away from his group in world of warcraft in a fight claiming he has no mana, while he’s wasting moves to drain the last of his mana and he has ways of getting around half of it back. This was during some kind of creater guild thing where if you die you lose your character. So abandoning his team to save himself and lying about it.
            • banning/blocking everyone who criticizes or corrects him on these things
            • DMCA’d and threatened legal action on an indie dev for a parody game that included him as a cockroach.
        • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Wait untill people realize that Ross Scott has had a running show, ‘Freeman’s Mind’, going back to basically the fucking machinima days, where he just does a playthrough of all of Half Life and voices Gordon’s inner thoughts.

          Its still on his youtube channel!

          https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PNZBb6b9LvDWpI-5CPYUxG1Rnm-vr9V

          We are going to need another petition to get Ross an honorary title, a goddamned bust of an upraised fist in an HEV suit, clenching a crowbar, with ‘For Exceptional Valor and Dutiful Service in the Defense of Video Gaming’ emblazoned on its base.

          Let the memes flow!

          • Luccajan@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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            9 days ago

            Than he has really lost it. Leaving a game that people paid for in a playable state is the least a developer/publisher can do.

  • exu@feditown.comEnglish
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    10 days ago

    Awesome! Now let’s get the EU one as well, much closer than before now. (840’000)

    • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      10 days ago

      5 minutes later and it’s 843k, almost 1k signatures per minute, not bad at all!

      • illi@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        10 days ago

        844k now. Wow. I wonder what caused the sudden surge? Or is it just that most momentum can be gain at the start and towards the end like with Kickstarters?

        • Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          10 days ago

          After Ross announced the campaign is dead a bunch of YouTubers (and media, I think?) picked up the topic and started spreading the word far and wide. This is the result.

            • Essence_of_Meh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              10 days ago

              That’s actually one of the most annoying parts about the whole thing. SKG campaign has been running for what, a year now? Barely anyone with an audience cared enough to even look into it, let alone spread the news. Now that things came close to failing suddenly everyone thinks it’s an important topic and scrambled to make videos/posts/whatever. I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt but I just don’t have that in me any more…
              We could’ve been in so much better place with awareness, petitions and general sentiment if people in the industry actually cared about these things from the start.

              Better late than never, I guess. I just hope there’s enough time to push through the EU petition as well.

              • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                9 days ago

                Well, there’s at least two aspects here:

                Fucking Thor, PirateSoftware.

                Up untill Ross posted his ‘SKG is dead’ video… Thor had by far gotten the most views of anyone with a video discussing SKG.

                And Thor… well, he was anti-SKG, and had been spreading a bunch of objectively false bullshit about it, actual FUDD.

                So… about half of Ross’s video was dedicated to pointing out how Thor was wildly misunderstanding things, and fairly graciously and politely trying to correct these misconceptions.

                So here’s the two sort of things at play I see, in terms of ‘why sudden surge now?’

                1. Thor was just shown to be objectively, factually wrong. Thus, the immediate effect of this would be to reiterate and clarify and reinforce with more specificity what SKG actually is… and that could directly convince people to give a damn, to believe in Ross’s SKG over Thor’s misunderstandings and mischaracterizations.

                But uh, almost certainly much, much more relevant:

                1. Ross doing (1) created an absolute drama shit storm via the way youtube works now… which is very much just drama mongers and commentators reporting on e-drama. (1) kicked off an actual, organic, honest to god, truly viral explosion of many, many people who’d basically never heard of any of this before, mostly dogpiling on Thor for being such a disingenuous, egotistical asshole and liar, but also of course encouraging people to sign the SKG petition.

                This kind of absurd, out of nowhere explosion of popularity of some topic, idea, meme, whatever, that spreads from person to person to person, from the ground up instead of top down… this is what something going ‘viral’ originally meant in the earlier days of the internet, 15 to 20 ish years ago.

                You know, it spreads, from host to host, like a pandemic outbreak, shockingly rapidly.

                These days we have everything hypermanaged by algorithms that silo you into your own content niche… and this was an exceptional enough of an event that it broke containment.

                Videos like … this entire topic/event/story… used to be what the YouTube trending tab looked like… just totally random shit that for whatever reason, a bunch of people organically shared with each other, back when the algos were much, much more primitive.

                …

                Anyway… extremely ironically, a whole lot of the viral nature of this is due to Thor being just such an astoundingly massive piece of shit liar and manipulator.

                He has a whole entire history of being astoundingly cocky, arrogant, dishonest, deceptive, intellectually inconsistent, rhetorically manipulative, etc, and it is genuienly… just astounding, i dont know what other word to use, to go through every single shitty thing Thor has done or said, not only in regards to SKG, but many, many other things Thor has done.

                Basically, Thor is now a lolcow, a perfect person to milk by making content criticizing him, because he really is that much of an unbelievable, outrageuous idiot asshole.

            • seralth@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              9 days ago

              LTT likely because Linus is extremely out of touch. Like comically so.

              Game nexus likely because Steve is more focused on other sectors of the industry. He’s a hardware and news guy more then a “gaming” channel in the strictest of sense. So it just very likely slipped his radar.

        • dindonmasker@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          10 days ago

          Piewdiepie made a community post yesterday supporting it and asking people to go sign if that has still something to do with it.

      • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        10 days ago

        This is fucking bonkers.

        I ran the math a few days ago, before this absolutely blew the fuck up, and I came to:

        We’d need 11k sigs per day until July 31st.

        … We’re now apparently at more than double that and climbing exponentially.

        Ho Lee Shit.

        God DAMN has it been a while since I’ve seen something go actually, truly, organically viral.

        • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          9 days ago

          I’m just worried some of them are botted, especially now that we’re less than 100k away from 1m.

          • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            9 days ago

            I mean, its not technically completely impossible, but the vast majority of EU countries require a valid name, id, address, etc, its usually a pretty dumb idea to bot spam an official government web portal, and I’m sure there will be a review process after July 31.

            Also… its not like it hits a million and then just no one else can sign up to it anymore.

            It’ll stay open till the end of the month, could easily breach a million, maybe even two million if anything like this insane rate keeps up.

        • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          9 days ago

          No need to do the math, this site has you covered: https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

          Right now we need 1669 per day remaining, though that number is probably going ot be smaller by the time you click the link.

          Worth noting that the actual target is somewhere above one million, since there’s probably some invalid signatures mixed in and the initiative needs a million even after these get removed. Still, it’s looking really good.

  • smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
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    10 days ago

    Didn’t it already reach the threshold last year and the government (or the civil servant in charge of rejecting every petition) closed it saying that current consumer protection laws already apply?

    • Contramuffin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      10 days ago

      My understanding is that they misunderstood the petition, so this new one is rephrased in an attempt to avoid another misinterpretation

      • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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        9 days ago

        It was extremely clear what the previous petition was, it was just they weren’t interested in doing anything so they intentionally misunderstood.

      • SSTF@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        10 days ago

        Politicians seem very good at misunderstanding things when it suits them.

    • r00ty@kbin.life
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      10 days ago

      They didn’t close it. They provided an answer early. That as they see it, existing trade and consumer law should cover games and they don’t plan on carving out extra legislation for it but they will “keep an eye on it”.

      Now it is over 100k, it doesn’t actually mean anything more than they “might” debate it in parliament.

      Now, don’t get me wrong. I signed the petition, and I think they SHOULD look into it. But, my old cynical bones tell me that even if they do have a debate in parliament. It will be at a time when there will be 5 MPs in there, who will have nothing to say on the matter and it will be swept under the rug with a further canned statement drawn up by some civil servant in whitehall talking about consumer law just like the statement before.

      Most western governments are on the side of industry, and that includes game developers. I cannot imagine they care about this subject and will do the bare minimum lip service to move past it.

      I hope I’m wrong.

      I do have a bit more hope for the European parliament. Just a little. They do seem to be a bit more pro-consumer. That is the one that matters most IMO.

      • ipkpjersi@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        10 days ago

        I don’t think you’re wrong, and I think the EU petition will go the same way, but it’s still worth signing regardless.

      • Rentlar@lemmy.caEnglish
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        10 days ago

        If the EU petition makes it, then it will provide the UK petition support too as part of whatever debate goes on about it.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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          9 days ago

          The UK petition ends before the EU petition so my guess is that they’ll give us some canned response before the end of the month. In their heads that will end the discussion.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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      9 days ago

      The hostility from the EU about the UK rejoining (especially from France) tells me that’s not likely to happen.

      • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Good. States shouldn’t be able to just go out on a whim and immediately go back in again like it’s a revolving door. The consequences should be severe for leaving. Otherwise voters in other member states will pull this shit as well, because they think they can just rejoin when the next pro EU government comes around. Also many voters in the UK voted for leave as a protest vote not because they actually wanted to leave. They didn’t understand the ramifications of their vote. Let the UK be the example of what a protest vote can cause.

    • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      Because saving video games and stopping the killing of children are mutually exclusive???

      • courval@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 days ago

        I didn’t say they were. They are particularly useful for “hiding our heads” and forget about the shitty world. They play a big roll keeping me sane and I respect the art very much. I would just like to see the same kind of effort put into to it.