JohnnyEnzyme

Thanks for the analysis & comments.

Maybe one day…

Not sure if this has any relation to the downvotes, but there’s a tonne of javascripts running on that page. I pretty much gave up after some fiddling around. Love that lead image, though.

Sorry for giving that impression, mssr.

What I know for sure is that absolutely everyone in life forms a belief system in order to sort out reality.

Me, it’s not so much that I dislike ‘Christians’ in any particular way, as much as the fact that I don’t like seeing others push people around via their ‘wrong’ beliefs, and so forth…

At one point Okham’s razor says the most probable thing is that a guy named Y’shua from Galilee did indeed start a religious movement.

Haha, and later on, some group of assholes tried to make hay with the original guy… to the extent that whatever he might have actually said (remember the Gnostics?) to the message of bullshit “Christianity?”

Hahaha… now there you go!

Now THAT’S the way we do things, mate! XD

Again-- a very whitewashed theory.

So what you’re telling me there is that you didn’t actually read it there, Bob?

Wow, it is as if you need something to be true, in the deepest sense, in order to validate your life?

Dude-- and THAT’S the part I always try to confirm. Live your life!

Enjoy our silly, mutual existence, if you can!
WE ARE HERE F0R A LITTLE WHILE, and also we like our animal friends et al.

The ride will be over soon, my friend. So let’s enjoy…

Looks like you tried to reply to my actual response, and then sort of went all Gonzo-weird ness for motivational purposes?

Well, HELLO THERE, fellow freakazoid!

(I mean, that’s what the point is here, right…?)

Do you mean, being just like you… my fellow freakazoid? :D

Hahaha, nice!

Congratulations! Not only do you manufacture stuff that never happened, but you’re about as disingenuous a religious creep as I’ve ever encountered, so far upon the FV.

Hehe, the ‘donkey-ears’ fit well, amirite?

Yes, but why are we ‘bickering’ in the first place, and why the need to accuse me of re-editing a comment? (which never happened)

What you are seemingly trying to tell me here, “PhilipTheBucket,” is that you’re not really able to countenance the actual arguments I’m making above.

Now would you say that’s a fair or unfair statement? If unfair, could you give me some facts & reality-based reasons as to why not?

Except for the fact that… I did indeed present multiple arguments, and the fact that at no point did I ‘signal victory?’

EDIT: Ruh-roh, downvotes! :D

Almost like every lauded, ‘perfect’ figure across history?

In fact, “The Messiah” is a concept that certainly goes back long before some dude allegedly named “Y’shua” was branded that way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah

Now, modern humans being ~300Kyrs old, I would guess that it’s not just an ancient fixation, but even endemic to our very species… our very way of hoping and wanting and longing for a return to ‘the good times,’ directly embodied via mythological figure.

Mais non, mon ami…?

(Edit: Also I think it is dishonest of them to edit their comment…

Dude, I did nothing of the kind.

Wow, it’s almost like you managed to copy-paste the known fact that the body of Christian scholars agrees that someone existed, later known as “Jesus,” and then seemingly couldn’t deal with a rebuttal upon your notion of ‘that clearing up everything.’

So now you’re getting weird about the fact that I had to re-do my comment, simply because I responded to the wrong commenter at the time? So, did not see my rebuttal at all? Did you not see my attempt to explain that?

Go ahead, tho-- consider this your opportunity to fairly reply to what I said above. Sound good?

EDIT: Hahaha, instant downvote!

But then you’re making up new standards of evidence for historical characters, and only applying them to Jesus.

Absolutely false, right from the get-go, Bob.
(hmm, “gecko…?,” but anyway)

The whole point of what I said above is to understand things from an historians and archeologists’ POV. You know-- the ones who generally try their best to strictly adhere to known facts & reality?

Such criteria is commonly applied to virtually EVERY significant figure in history, Bob. So then, are you actually (haha) asking for a special exception for someone possibly known as Y’shua ben Josef during his lifetime, who later got turned in to an almost impossibly, legendary figure by political, financial and religious institutions…?

You know, that “Jesus Christ” figure, later whitewashed in to being a tall, pale Euro-type dude, and not the actual short, Semitic dude which he almost certainly was. (if he ever existed in the first place)

I sure hope not, anyway, because that would not be the “Bob” we all know and love.

You are thinking about this the wrong way.

I consider that a terrible way of framing things, and then to make matters worse, you propose only a binary set of conclusions.

Please do better then that if you want to debate fairly.

Thank you.

As I see it, there’s pretty much a landslide of evidence, from almost every studied angle, that points to what you just postulated.

Whoops; apologies.
I borked up my last reply-comment, and so deleted that, and re-created from scratch.

Which is fine as far as it goes, yet does very little if anything to address the body of the above concerns.

While “Jesus” likely had something to do with an actual person who once lived, nailing down the details of his life and history seems highly problematic from a scholarly & historical POV, and as for embellishment, amalgamation and distortion… all such things are highly possible, and even highly likely, AFAIK.

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