Nah, tons of leftists right here on this site used to be libs. In the U.S. at least, I’d say most leftists went through a lib phase at some point.

I don’t think calling libs fascists-in-waiting, moderate fascists, etc. moves many people in the right direction. People match spite with spite. It should be reserved for those we have no hope of bringing around, not us 10 years ago.

Non-paywalled link: https://archive.is/G584y

Since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine

It really is something how almost all English-langage media uses the phrase “full-scale invasion” in lockstep.

From a strictly military perspective, restrictions never help.

“From a strictly military perspective” is a nonsense framing, especially in a relatively limited war like this. Militaries are for (1) resolving political questions when peaceful attempts at resolution break down, and (2) deterring other countries from walking away from serious attempts at peaceful resolution. There is no world where you set aside the ultimate political goals; that’s the whole point!

The modest seizure of Russian territory may strengthen Ukraine’s bargaining position in negotiations, ease Russian pressure on Ukrainian defenses in the Donbas, or weaken Russian President Vladimir Putin politically, but it is unlikely to change the military picture in a significant way.

Should have dispensed with the saber-rattling and started here. This isn’t going to change the overall direction of the war; at most it will prolong the inevitable.

These are the last days of WWI, where people keep dying despite everyone knowing that the war’s end is imminent.

Huh?

That’s just stupid. Are they really suggesting Ukraine should focus solely on grinding through fortified Russian defenses?

That’s clearly a losing strategy, too, but the “we’ll fight them to the last Ukranian” crowd is still too far from reality to admit it.

The best decision for the Ukranian people is to negotiate an end to the war as soon as possible, which means accepting that when you are losing a war the peace isn’t going to involve crazy shit like getting more territory than you started with (Crimea). They’ve lost, and they can come to terms with it now or do so later after a bunch more Ukranians die only get a worse outcome.

The reason the Ukranian government isn’t doing that is because their NATO puppetmasters don’t give a shit about the casualties of their proxies – they just want to bleed Russia as much as possible. So without the option to negotiate, and with the impossibility of winning on the main front, they have to try Hail Mary gambits like the Kursk invasion.

“The winning side could simply surrender and give everything back”

I am a geopolitical mastermind

the family of the hostages can kill whoever they want

Yes, Israel has been doing this since October. Yes, their morals are sickening.

Well yeah, they had it

You were wrong and are doubling down instead of acknowledging that maybe there are some gaps in your knowledge.

And I am not suggesting anything

And you’re trying to walk back ridiculous fear mongering (where will they stop??? the Atlantic???) instead of acknowledging that Russia isn’t going to start invading the whole planet for no reason.

The point here is that you don’t even know the basic facts you’re talking about. Russia didn’t want Crimea in 2022; they already had it.

It’s also laughable – genuinely embarrassing – to suggest Russia is trying to conquer all of Europe. Pure fantasy plucked straight out of thin air.

As for deterrence, that’s already been accomplished, especially if you believe the casualty numbers Ukranian propaganda puts out. Clearly there is a cost to war. The goal now is to end the fighting on as favorable of terms as you can realistically get.

It’s literally across the Bering strait.

Damn you really can’t point out Ukraine on a map lmao

That’s not a serious negotiating position when Russia is winning. Shit like this is getting people killed.

You apparently don’t

Crimea had been in Russian hands for nearly a decade when Russia invaded.

Russia never said it was going to be a three day operation. That was Lukashenko; you’re getting the basic facts of the situation wrong.

Losing slow doesn’t mean you had a realistic shot at winning, either.

That would kill millions at minimum and likely result in nuclear war. It’s utterly psychopathic to cheerlead this and totally detached from the horrors you’re wishcasting. Disgusting.

sometimes you need to punch a bully in the mouth to protect the subject of their bullying

How would you describe what Azov paramilitary groups were doing in eastern Ukraine from about 2014-2022

This is so gutless. “Well sure I’d prefer unicorns and rainbows but KILL KILL KILL”… just say what you really mean and stand by it.

Libs: Violence is never acceptable, even if Trump is an immediate threat to harm countless people.

Also libs: Let’s all thank the Secret Service for immediately killing the shooter.

This seems futile, but it’s a decent point to hammer on. Libs who believe international law means something get put in the uncomfortable position of rethinking that, it’s more grounded than “I disagree with this as a matter of policy,” and you’ll smoke out plenty of people who will show their asses with “that shit doesn’t apply to us” takes.

You care more about posting etiquette than you do about Canadian parliament applauding a Nazi.

This story has circulated widely enough (I see multiple articles on BBC and CBS, among other outlets) that they had to issue an apology. I don’t believe you haven’t heard of it, but if you really haven’t, what does that say about where you’re getting your news/what draws your attention?

Do you have even the slightest problem with Canadian parliament applauding a Nazi? You and a bunch of other people here seem to think litigating how to post is more important than the actual issue.

Here’s the news story if you missed the dozen other threads on it and the discussion elsewhere in this thread. Let me know if you need anything else spoonfed to you.