Free speech means being able to say and support things you believe in without the threat of being murdered for it. Any sympathy for the murderer undermines free speech and democratic society. This is not complicated…

Seems like a lot of victim blaming in here. It can be very simple. Don’t murder people you disagree with. Also, free speech needs to be protected culturally as well, and not just through the government. But the government must also protect free speech, and that includes protecting people from others. There doesn’t need to be a discussion about understanding motives at all. It’s wrong and needs to be condemned, full stop. Otherwise you don’t have a free country. You can’t hand wave it away or shrug just because you understand their motive.

It’s illogical to compare them from a moral perspective. You don’t get to just shoot people because they have a different perspective than you, because they were raised differently or get their news from different places than you do. It’s not exactly whataboutism though, it’s more of a false equivalence. Whatever the case, the gunman is not morally justified in murdering these two people. If you think he is, then you are blinded by ideology and shouldn’t be allowed to participate in democratic society.

You aren’t over reacting. It’s a massive false equivalence comparing what Israel has done against the murder of two individuals. The guy that got murdered isn’t Israel. He’s a person with opinions, right or wrong. He got murdered for a few tweets and an affiliation with Israel. He’s not a combatant, but a civilian. Same for his wife. People justifying these murders are flat out wrong, and there’s no place in America for ideological murders. In order to have a system where free speech is protected, you can’t allow people to be murdered for their views. There is no defending these murders or trying to justify them.

It’s mostly a metric people use to prove their superiority over other people, when all of the other metrics for happiness and success suggest otherwise.

There’s nobody to speak for the woman either way. This wouldn’t be a clear issue in any state.

It’s still way up from a year ago. The insane climb after the election was unsupported hype, which has been corrected. Say what you want about tesla, but the stock price looks pretty healthy.

My only real problem with the narrative in this thread is with distilling the catholic church down to pedophile ring. It’s super reductive, ignoring so much history and the world views of so many decent people in light of a single issue. But just to be clear, I get that it’s a serious issue and they did a very poor job in dealing with it.

Mad about what? Your uninformed and salty opinion? You aren’t the first edgelord I’ve met on the internet…

Bro the irony… you don’t understand religion but happily assume that it’s about pedophilia. I think you got a hard on for hating religion and have a hard time seeing anything else.

There is a difference between wanting to deal with things internally without involving authorities, and actively promoting pedophilia. But I’m not here to go to bat for Catholics, I’m just pointing out the difference.

Hold on, you seriously believe that the purpose of the catholic church is to promote pedophilia?

Not sure if you are just being an edge lord or if you are a moron.

I don’t mind you asking except that you are missing my point, which is that doctors have less patient confidentiality than therapists. I say this to contradict the original assertion that doctors report things, so priests should too, which is faulty logic. Comparing therapists to priests would be a better analogy in this context.

I guess I would define a pedophile ring as an organization whose purpose is to abuse children.

They have more patient confidentiality than doctors, but I’m not sure of the specifics.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Abusers-occupation-Occupation-n_tbl4_237962292

More the point is that therapists don’t have the same obligations as doctors. Therapists can keep confidentiality of things that doctors aren’t allowed to. The guy i responded to was comparing priests to doctors, but a better comparison would be comparing them to therapists.

They have some obligations in cases of child endangerment or suicide, direct threats to others. I’m not sure of the details, if it’s similar expectations or what.

It’s not like the pope or the catholic leadership is encouraging pedophiles. They’ve covered things up that happened, but it’s pretty wild to act like it’s some kind of pedo ring.