I am actually going to end up using bisq2 to buy bitcoin via a reputation-based interaction, turn it into some monero on probably bisq1, and then use the monero to start interacting with haveno. it’s way too many steps and fees but it saves me from ever doing any KYC.
reminds me of when bitcoin people used to say “nobody ever got prosecuted via blockchain analysis” and they wouldn’t stop saying that until it happened. they sometimes learn through experience but that’s about it.