Anark Karabey

@ShadowRebel

>Mostly due to Monero people being so insane angry about the Bitcoin Maxis that are on Nostr

>Mostly due to Bitcoin maxis being so insane

Here. Fixed it for you.

@mister_monster @4rkal Agreed. Surprising for me, as well. I suppose for the git-stuff, the community is complacent with the fact that github still hasn’t tried any shenanigans. Most of the issue tickets are opened there, and most of the code and protocol related discussions use github’s infra. There is too much inertia to overcome to make the change from github to a git[dot]getmonero.org, for instance.

Regarding the forum: agreed. However, we still have monero.town that is positioned to become the forum-like discussion medium, which is independent of the reddit.

@HardenedSteel yeah… basically proton is a honeypot:

>cannot use their tor hidden service for anonymous account creation

>cannot use the btc payment option during anonymous account creation

>no XMR payment option at all

I think Monero community can do better. Just create a version of cockli service that forces people to pay a buck a month in XMR. Promise to keep their emails encrypted in the server SSDs, or allow them to use POP to pull their emails to their local devices. etc. etc.

Someone can be the new lavabit…

@HardenedSteel this is a niche still awaiting for its entrepreneur.

Proton accepts btc (sigh (put +1 to the column that argues for them being a honeypot)). You might use trocador to exchange from btc to xmr and make your payment.

But, again, some sort of email service that takes XMR in exchange of service would be good. The operators of the email service can even use the XMR payment as a sort of counter-spam measure against bot accounts, and spam senders. The service can also use “Mullvad-style” random digits per the customer in order to track their XMR payments for the service, and demand no personally identifiable information, at all.

@simping4xmrchan

>Instead, he points out the ease of creating incentives for individuals to voluntarily register for an Internet ID by making life significantly easier \[2\] for those who do so (similar to how a driver’s license is not required, but life is difficult without one).

This is also called “nudging”. It is an important mass-control tool the modern techno-industrial-media state has.

http://ybgg2evrcdz37y2qes23ff3wjqjdn33tthgoagi76vhxytu4mpxiz5qd.onion/wiki/Nudge_theory?lang=en

@opal @ShadowRebel I agree. Do the tabulations. List the pros and cons, and see if you want to use matrix dendrite.

@monerotalk this episode was quite a mess. Really wasted my time here trying to make up what the guest’s claims really are. Doug was utterly unable to set the guest straight, and was unable to make him present some coherent train-of-thought arguments supporting his claims. The whole episode was a stream-of-consciousness style rambling coming from a seem-to-be deranged mind.

I expected better.

@ShadowRebel

>as far as dendrite goes, we’re talking about using Tor & a degoogled phone without google push notifications.

I have been doing that for years now, kiddo. CalyxOS user of 2 years, here—before that I have used GrapheneOS. Both without microG or any other google play compatibility layers.

I use Element Android with Orbot proxy. It is pretty usable. I get notifications, a-Okay. Nothing to fearmonger about there.

If xmpp is really better than matrix, then you shouldn’t be needing these “half-truth” videos to spread its use.

Anyways. Do what you gotta do.

Quite one-sided video. Many things you list as negatives in the Matrix’s column are simply “not the whole truth”. For example: “matrix requires captcha”, “matrix requires email”—these are not true for all the existing homeservers. You may find a homeserver that’s open for registration that doesn’t force you to train google’s machine vision AI nor give up an email.

Another “not the whole truth” is that “dendrite freezes and doesn’t let you join big rooms”. I have been using my own dendrite homeserver for the last 2 years, and while it may be true that I had some “freezes” when I tried to join some software support communities, in the end (after a few minutes) I always managed to join in, and never got locked out of the discussion.

Apart from all of that, xmpp’s multi-device e2ee is also a mess. You make it sound like it is a piece of cake—it ain’t.

@SoulReaver I am not the admin of the mitra.social network. You should ask @silverpill for that.

However, I would advise you to host your own mitra instance. It is quite easy to setup.

@shortwavesurfer why did dgoon stop making the developer segment?

@moneromaxi @ShadowRebel I am guessing he hires a fiverr guy to do the dubs… He should curb the enthusiasm a little.

@nyakojiru Definitely Local Monero. It has mobile apps, and you don’t need to link a bank account. You can totally stay anon on there.

SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL MONERO DEALER!

@Saki

>Tor network relies on a relatively small number of “centralized” node operators.

Here’s a recent talk that argues to the contrary: https://media.ccc.de/v/camp2023-57172-a_guided_tour_through_tor_network_health_and_performance

@Saki I like I2P. I use it for my torrenting activities, it is great—no need for VPNs for torrenting anymore.

However, Tor has its own advantages, being more reachable by a greater number of people who might not be as tech savvy as us, is one of them. Like it or not, Tor’s abundant exit nodes is one other advantage that it has over I2P. In the case of something like mitra.social microblogging service, if one hosts a onion-only instance of it, Tor allows him to federate with clearnet peers over the exit nodes, and thus allow the onion-only instances of mitra/pleroma to be also in connect with the greater fediverse.

>the Tor network relies on a relatively small number of “centralized” node operators.

Any sources that makes you say that?

@tusker @ShadowRebel

>some BTC maxi protocol, next thing you know they will limit the number of users to 100 and cap post size to 10KB.

lol’d

@ShadowRebel @mister_monster

>The lightning payments are custodial.

Imagine my shock.

@ShadowRebel

>would force us to abandon IP address and DNS based systems such as federated ones.

Hey I hate the DNS like the next hacker. I think we can migrate to Tor HiddenServices and use Onion URLs for our mitra instances—if the need be. Afaik, mitra allows tor-only instances (they can federate to other onion instances, and/or to the clearnet ones over the tor exit nodes).

Definitely checkout mitra.social.

cc: @silverpill

@ShadowRebel in fact, I am posting these comments from my own mitra instance. It can play-nice with the lemmy instance of monero.town, since they all share the same ActivityPub protocol underneath.

No need for a newfangled protocol that tries to re-invent the wheel.

@ShadowRebel nostr might be cool and I do wish it would have more Monero people in there; but, mitra.social is already doing good things. It is ActivityPub compatible (thus federateable), it has baked-in Monero tips and subscriptions support, and it can work over tor + clearnet. Quite good for Monero people to be in.