There are two ways to look at this. In one respect you can say why the hell are so many Americans still not grasping just how bad Trump is?

But then you need to assume the responsibility of being the more informed party and adjust your strategy not for the electorate you want but for the electorate you have.

And that electorate is demanding a better candidate for Democrats to appeal to said uninformed undecided swing state voters who will decide this election.

Biden had 1 long-shot chance to bridge echo-chambers and show the country he can lead. To reach those undecided swing-state voters.

It’s why he took this debate. Because he was already losing them.

And he blew it to such a catastrophic level it’s not impacting congressional down-ballot races already.

Fun fact: Biden now shares the title of Ford, Carter, HW Bush, and Trump who were incumbent presidents who trailed in polls both before and after the first debate… All of whom lost reelection.

About 5% of all Americans spend some amount of time in prison, fun fact.

Well said. The number of down-votes on hard truths like this submission but a complete lack of substantive argument prove they’re in denial.

I can get into deeper detail as I’ve done elsewhere in my recent comment history, but this DNC member of 30 years nails it. Watch the second half in particular, but the whole clip is relevant: https://youtu.be/DtmZjFBMU90

This is the most important video out there right now.

Edit: I love how you down-voted before you could’ve ever possibly viewed the clip. Truly, exceptional open mind you’ve got.

Blind loyalists to blue guy instead of orange guy, devoid of evidence or reason to support their position… Mostly because they’re too skittish to promote the obviously better course of action. Big time bandwagoneers.

Yes true, but the question is: do uninformed swing-voters in battleground states feel this way?

At the moment Biden is losing in every one of them.

Friendly reminder 2020 was won by only 40,000 voters across 3 states. And Biden is significantly underperforming his 2020 run.

I’ll never forget moving out west on a cross-country road trip with my mom and little sister. We vetted most of our hotels pretty well but had to make an unplanned stop at a red roof inn on Oklahoma. What a complete shithole. Dingy, flickering half-lit hallways. Sketchiest people. I slept with a knife under my pillow.

Well… To be fair there was some shady shit with that race. But put another way, does that mean Schiff would more likely win against Trump than Porter?

But I tend to agree she’s not quite ready yet.

I’ve said the same thing for AOC and I’ll agree to do the same should Porter run.

Katie Porter. Basically a younger Elizabeth Warren (who was taught by Warren no less).

A big part of this decision is happening right now at Camp David with his family, according to the article:

President Joe Biden is expected to discuss the future of his re-election campaign with family at Camp David on Sunday, following a nationally televised debate Thursday that left many fellow Democrats worried about his ability to beat former President Donald trump in November, according to five people familiar with the matter.

Let’s face reality:

• Biden is TEN POINTS nationally below where he was at this time in 2020.
• Biden is losing in every single battleground state.
• Biden is losing a large chunk of black and Hispanic voters compared to his 2020 run.
• Biden’s aggregate approval ratings for Presidency are 37.7% with 56.7% disapproval.

… Biden asked for that debate because he was desperate to break the downward trend and reach these battleground swing-state voters. That backfired in the worst possible way.

The time is now, before the convention, and with enough time for an alternative candidate to be selected and ramp up campaigning. There are half a dozen candidates who fit the bill and have a semi-national profile, are YOUNGER, and have enough charisma and debate skills to beat Trump — almost by default by being a fresh face and younger

Anyone who says there isn’t enough time doesn’t understand just how much FREE viral media attention this would all receive. Every single person should be pushing for this to happen now. Because if Biden makes another gaffe like this in October or a medical emergency, then we are REALLY fucked.

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Been waiting for this. As NK involvement increases with Russia, I was hoping SK involvement ramped up in favor of Ukraine.

You know I agree with much of what you say here. All I’ll say is that while there’s uncertainty in the outcome of this route, I’m convinced there is certainty at this point that Joe Biden will lose. Why? Because there is all there is to know about Joe Biden. Call it media saturation; diminishing returns… There is fundamentally nothing Joe Biden can do or say that people don’t already know and now their minds are pretty much made up. The desperation-play of even asking for that debate shows the Biden campaign knows how bad of a position they’re in… And it of course backfired tremendously.

So at this point, I view it as uncertainty versus a known loss.

And in that respect, I’m looking at this alternate path as appealing to those lizard-brain American Idol-watching popularity-contest voters. If we could distill election cycles down to a handful of things, chief among them would be “People Vote for the more interesting candidate” and “People vote for the fresher face” – Within the backdrop of age being a huge issue for >70% of American voters when polled, that rings even more truthful now.

So personally, I say we take the chance.

Ah yes, right-wing authoritarianism that helped cause mass immigration from regional instability thanks to ignoring climate change and sowing global conflicts… Let’s just give the fox the keys to the henhouse.

Nah, for starters those votes are of a private party and not the actual general elections. Second, there are protocols in place that allow a change in nominee, and third those votes were a snapshot in time not reflective of where people are necessarily now.

Are you asking that because you believe nobody is lining up wanting to be President, or that there is no candidate who fits that bill? Because I can think of half a dozen who both fit the bill and have obvious political ambitions:

• Whitmer
• Newsom
• Buttigieg
• Booker
• Abrams
• Warnock.

All far more youthful; all far more charismatic. All who have enough national name recognition and would trounce Trump in debates and contrast of age alone.

The question to me isn’t, “who else,” it’s, “Will Biden voluntarily step down and endorse such a person at the convention?”

The polls prove this could work:nobody likes either candidate, people want new faces, and age is a problem. Just give them another choice on the Democratic ticket and it’s game-over for the convicted felon. If I could I’d be money this gives better odds than sticking it out with Biden.

I disagree. I actually think you’d see a boost.

• Acknowledging age concerns of the electorate = good.

• Running someone fresh that appeals to this American Idol-esque popularity contest = good.

• Running someone Republicans don’t have their talking-points fleshed out on = good.

I am right now drafting a message to send to the White House contact form advocating for just this. Will do nothing most likely, but it’s my drop in the ocean.