Well no one can prove they have a mind to anyone other than themselves.

And to extend that, there’s obviously a way for electrical information processing to give rise to consciousness. And no one knows how that could be possible.

Meaning something like a true, alien AI would probably conclude that we are not conscious and instead are just very intelligent meat computers.

So, while there’s no reason to believe that current AI models could result in consciousness, no one can prove the opposite either.

I think the argument currently boils down to, “we understand how AI models work, but we don’t understand how our minds work. Therefore, ???, and so no consciousness for AI”

Everyone can only do the best they can. Anyone who expects everyone to have zero impact is an idiot. Even a salad involved death and cruelty somewhere (animals caught in farm equipment, underpaid immigrant farmers who get abandoned if injured, etc).

So really, all you can do in your life if you care about these things is minimize your impact as much as you can based on what you know.

Similar to people who value giving to charity. Do they give all of their spare money to charity? No and no one should expect them to. Just giving anything to charity regularly has a positive impact and the whole “you’re not doing enough” does much more damage than good.

Reminds me of vegetarians/vegans. I’m not really either, but I don’t eat meat. And I’m just happy when I hear people say they want to eat less meat. Whereas most people who are against meat are only happy if someone else is also against it completely.

Every year, the government funds itself with taxes being paid now. Not years previously. If older people who are retired use the hospital, the hospital’s resources were paid for by the most recent taxes.

And when I pay my taxes now, the government doesn’t take a small percentage of it, put it aside, and mark it as “for road maintenance in X decades”.

If working people stopped paying taxes, all programs would collapse entirely, they wouldn’t keep working only for retired people who paid into them sufficiently.

It’s pretty obvious that all of government needs tax payers every year

No, but it’s still correct.

Retired individuals make use of tax funded systems all the time and those only work if younger people pay taxes.

He’s successful in spite of himself. He makes terrible decisions constantly.

Clothing doesn’t require the death of anyone the same way eating meat does.

One it’s possible to be cruelty free, and the other is not.

Also, if I knew for a fact that a company committed acts of evil, I would avoid them as best I could, just like I do with meat.

Complaining that eating meat is not actually wrong, it’s just marketing, is just a laughable way to look at ethics and empathy.

Lastly, whataboutism is a joke of a defence.

Is killing a person a moral issue, or is that also simply marketing?

The people who claim “real estate value!” have just latched onto the simplest reason they can which aligns with their worldview.

The reasons I suspect companies are forcing return to office are more:

• shareholders don’t like unused assets, so they tell the ceo to “use it or lose it”
• the people who make the decision have the type of extroverted personality where they actually do work better in the office and they can’t fathom people being different
• the people who make the decision prefer to have the office full because it makes them feel more powerful. They can see the people they lord over.

I agree. I still eat shrimp and some fish. The fish bother me, but not enough to stop eating them, and the shrimp don’t bother me cause they’re basically underwater crickets.

For example killing an elephant is worse than killing a chicken. And everyone draws the line somewhere already (unless you’re fine with eating endangered animals and even cannibalism). It’s just where does your own morality draw the line at what level of creature it’s ok to ask to die for your next meal?

I hear you. I don’t eat meat, and I haven’t for several years. I still find it extremely tempting sometimes to eat some chicken wings.

The only reason I don’t is because whenever I actually think, “maybe I should just have some,” I get overwhelmed with flashes in my mind visualizing the deaths of the chickens and then I just… can’t.

But if those flashes weren’t there I definitely would’ve caved by now.

What does betrayal have to do with the morality of killing something?

It’s either right or wrong to kill something if you don’t have to for survival.

If you think killing dogs is wrong, then killing cows or pigs should also be wrong.

Yeah, fuck em all

We should handle it the same way we treat invasive animals 🙂

It would help all of their competitors. A non zero number of people would move from windows to each of the others.

Whether or not the number moving away from windows and on to each of the others is significant or not is a different matter.

The biggest thing helping Linux right now is Valve’s work improving the gaming experience, IMO.

You actually agree with me more than you disagree. If they have the mentality to send out clear text passwords, they probably don’t hage the natural talent to design an asynchronous system.

Why wouldn’t it be generated and sent immediately? If someone has the inclination to do this type of thing, they probably also want to do things synchronously and immediately.

Not even the clouds are safe!

Or classic torrents combined with a VPN.

Tesla under pays compared to other car companies.

Also, a lazy worker at home will be lazy in an office too.

If someone likes to procrastinate, you can’t really change that via environment alone.