Edit: before anyone goes and reads all of this, I’ll sum it up:
This is a textbook argument from anecdote. They presented their anecdotal evidence and conclusion implying that because they’ve done 10k miles, it follows that Autopilot accidents shouldn’t be this big of a deal (blown out of proportion). A scalding hot garbage take. I got a little emotionally off topic with cause of deaths in a fallacious appeal to emotion.
Ah yes, “I’ve personally done this and I’m the most important, therefore it’s not true. It’s the experts and engineers who are wrong.”
Besides “everybody look at me!!”, what is your point?
And you say that based on personal anecdotes, rather than education and design/testing/systems implementation experience.
Do you think 10k miles (unknown time frame, but my point stands even at one year) is a singular meaningful data point for the thousands (millions now?) of Autopilot enabled Teslas?
What is the right proportion for it to be blown up to your loved one was killed?
Because nothing more is necessary. If it was an “experiment” I would know about it because it would be driving erratically and attempting to kill me but instead it is “pretty good”.
What is the right proportion for it to be blown up to your loved one was killed?
I would be very upset that there was such an irresponsible driver behind the wheel for sure. That’s not Tesla’s fault. You can’t blame Tesla because they added safety features to the car…
Also there are dozens of other cars with this same technology on the road but everyone wants to pick on Tesla because it makes headlines.
If it was an “experiment” I would know about it because it would be driving erratically and attempting to kill me but instead it is “pretty good”.
Mate, that’s not an experiment lifecycle works at all. The ignorance on display here is palpable.
I would be very upset that there was such an irresponsible driver behind the wheel for sure. That’s not Tesla’s fault. You can’t blame Tesla because they added safety features to the car…
How convenient, you avoided answering my question at all! And rather blame the poor implementation of an inaccurate technology, disguised as a safety feature (that has directly caused 17 fatalities, mind you), you blame the user (victim). Actually, I’d make the argument this isn’t a “safety feature” at all, more of a convenience feature, but I digress.
Also there are dozens of other cars with this same technology on the road but everyone wants to pick on Tesla because it makes headlines.
I’ll gladly shit on all the other manufacturers implementing this technology. It’s all garbage if it poses a threat to a human life.
All of this is out of scope as my point is your anecdotal experience is not significant and dismissing results due to your own biases is quite ignorant.
eye roll I’m so ignorant. My CompE Master’s and my previous work in vision-based AI collision detection systems has left me woefully unprepared to have educated and qualified experience for this exact topic.
Why do you hate children?
I never mentioned children, don’t put words in my mouth. Keep deflecting.
I’m sure the 17+ dead human lives really appreciate this “protection”.
Maybe “results” wasn’t the right word. Dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology might fit better, but I’m definitely calling the number of fatalities and accidents caused by Autopilot as results of Autopilot and therefore Tesla.
It is not my intention to attempt to change your mind on this technology though, I’m just pointing out your anecdotal experience is not significant and dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology due to your own biases is incredibly ignorant. This mindset is harmful whether you accept that or not.
My CompE Master’s and my previous work in vision-based AI collision detection systems has left me woefully unprepared to have educated and qualified experience for this exact topic.
That’s awesome! Would you share more with us about the research you conducted with Tesla’s AutoPilot, and specifically what makes it “experimental”?
I never mentioned children
How convenient, you avoided answering the question at all!
Here you go:
As I suspected, nothing points to the notion that this was caused by AutoPilot. It’s caused by inattentive drivers.
This is nothing but shit “journalism” playing on whatever is “hot” and trendy.
I’m sure the 17+ dead human lives really appreciate this “protection”.
There are no dead human lives. You’re just making that up.
dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology due to your own biases is incredibly ignorant.
I don’t have any biases. “Ignorant” is claiming that a driver assistance system is responsible for driver inattentiveness.
Why the accidents happen is not why I commented. I’m not going to argue if the assistance system is responsible or the driver is, that’s a different argument and it’s my fault I let it get to this point.
I don’t have any biases.
Says the person that literally drives a Tesla with Autopilot, as claimed in your parent comment.
“Bias: A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.”
You’ve favored your own 10k+ miles over an ex-Tesla employee and refuse to accept reported data. Funnily enough, your narcissistic anecdotes are another type of fallacy related to your confirmation bias.
Let’s revisit why I commented again:
Your ignorance is due to you believing your personal anecdotal evidence is qualified in any way to dismiss Autopilot issues as an experiment.
You’ve drawn a conclusion using fallacious information. That’s it.
Edit: before anyone goes and reads all of this, I’ll sum it up:
This is a textbook argument from anecdote. They presented their anecdotal evidence and conclusion implying that because they’ve done 10k miles, it follows that Autopilot accidents shouldn’t be this big of a deal (blown out of proportion). A scalding hot garbage take. I got a little emotionally off topic with cause of deaths in a fallacious appeal to emotion.
Ah yes, “I’ve personally done this and I’m the most important, therefore it’s not true. It’s the experts and engineers who are wrong.”
Besides “everybody look at me!!”, what is your point?
It’s not that I know better than them. It’s that they are completely blowing things out of proportion.
And you say that based on personal anecdotes, rather than education and design/testing/systems implementation experience.
Do you think 10k miles (unknown time frame, but my point stands even at one year) is a singular meaningful data point for the thousands (millions now?) of Autopilot enabled Teslas?
What is the right proportion for it to be blown up to your loved one was killed?
Because nothing more is necessary. If it was an “experiment” I would know about it because it would be driving erratically and attempting to kill me but instead it is “pretty good”.
I would be very upset that there was such an irresponsible driver behind the wheel for sure. That’s not Tesla’s fault. You can’t blame Tesla because they added safety features to the car…
Also there are dozens of other cars with this same technology on the road but everyone wants to pick on Tesla because it makes headlines.
Mate, that’s not an experiment lifecycle works at all. The ignorance on display here is palpable.
How convenient, you avoided answering my question at all! And rather blame the poor implementation of an inaccurate technology, disguised as a safety feature (that has directly caused 17 fatalities, mind you), you blame the user (victim). Actually, I’d make the argument this isn’t a “safety feature” at all, more of a convenience feature, but I digress.
I’ll gladly shit on all the other manufacturers implementing this technology. It’s all garbage if it poses a threat to a human life.
All of this is out of scope as my point is your anecdotal experience is not significant and dismissing results due to your own biases is quite ignorant.
Agreed.
Why do you hate children?
[citation needed]
It doesn’t. It’s the opposite. It protects human life.
How can I “dismiss results” when none have been presented?
eye roll I’m so ignorant. My CompE Master’s and my previous work in vision-based AI collision detection systems has left me woefully unprepared to have educated and qualified experience for this exact topic.
I never mentioned children, don’t put words in my mouth. Keep deflecting.
Here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/
Nifty: https://www.tesladeaths.com/
I’m sure the 17+ dead human lives really appreciate this “protection”.
Maybe “results” wasn’t the right word. Dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology might fit better, but I’m definitely calling the number of fatalities and accidents caused by Autopilot as results of Autopilot and therefore Tesla.
It is not my intention to attempt to change your mind on this technology though, I’m just pointing out your anecdotal experience is not significant and dismissing the findings of engineers close to the technology due to your own biases is incredibly ignorant. This mindset is harmful whether you accept that or not.
Best of luck and good day.
That’s awesome! Would you share more with us about the research you conducted with Tesla’s AutoPilot, and specifically what makes it “experimental”?
How convenient, you avoided answering the question at all!
As I suspected, nothing points to the notion that this was caused by AutoPilot. It’s caused by inattentive drivers.
This is nothing but shit “journalism” playing on whatever is “hot” and trendy.
There are no dead human lives. You’re just making that up.
I don’t have any biases. “Ignorant” is claiming that a driver assistance system is responsible for driver inattentiveness.
Bye bye now.
Why the accidents happen is not why I commented. I’m not going to argue if the assistance system is responsible or the driver is, that’s a different argument and it’s my fault I let it get to this point.
Says the person that literally drives a Tesla with Autopilot, as claimed in your parent comment.
“Bias: A statistical sampling or testing error caused by systematically favoring some outcomes over others.”
You’ve favored your own 10k+ miles over an ex-Tesla employee and refuse to accept reported data. Funnily enough, your narcissistic anecdotes are another type of fallacy related to your confirmation bias.
Let’s revisit why I commented again:
Your ignorance is due to you believing your personal anecdotal evidence is qualified in any way to dismiss Autopilot issues as an experiment.
You’ve drawn a conclusion using fallacious information. That’s it.