The death of 3 U.S. service members is forcing President Joe Biden to weigh military action that could carry risks of escalation and heavy political consequences.
We don’t need their oil anymore. Pull our troops out of Iraq, let them deal with whatever fucked up form of extremism pops up. Israel can defend itself just sell them the weapons to do so. Iran and Saudi can go at it, we can just sell more weapons.
Trade in the Red Sea is more important to China and Europe let them deal with securing their own trade routes.
You are very naive to assume that 1) this chaos would remain contained in the Middle East 2) that America could decouple itself from the Middle East even as oil runs out (which isn’t happening just yet) and 3) that nobody else would move into the power vacuum. We have seen the chaos that comes when there is nobody at the helm in America (during the Trump presidency), including in the Middle East. Isolationism doesn’t work and the sole remaining superpower can not afford to be this foolish.
Unfortunately we really do. Yes there have been some initiatives towards a green economy, but those are half measures and progressing slowly. For the time being the world economy is insanely dependent on oil. And yes, the US is part of the world.
Now you may have run some numbers on oil imports vs. exports. But that oil is controlled by corporations. Even if it may be a US corporation, their loyalty to the bottom line is significantly greater than their loyalty to the country. So if a US company can sell a barrel of oil to Europe for five cents more than they can sell it in the US, they will sell that oil to Europe.
Which means the US oil prices matches the global oil prices. If there’s a disruption in the oil supply anywhere in the world, it will affect the price of gas in the US. And the gas prices influences the voting decisions of many Americans, either directly, or indirectly when the economic performance drops because of disruptions in the oil market.
I too long for the day when we can tell Mr. Bonesaw to go pound sand, but unfortunately we’re not there yet.
Have to disagree with you there. We can stop oil exports in case of an emergency, like ol bonesaw getting the axe.
“Congress voted in 2015 to repeal a 40-year ban on exporting U.S. crude oil. Since that year, crude exports have skyrocketed nearly 600% to 3.2 million barrels per day in 2020, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Biden has authority under the legislation to declare an emergency and limit or stop oil exports for up to a year.”
Fuck the Mid East let it burn.
We don’t need their oil anymore. Pull our troops out of Iraq, let them deal with whatever fucked up form of extremism pops up. Israel can defend itself just sell them the weapons to do so. Iran and Saudi can go at it, we can just sell more weapons.
Trade in the Red Sea is more important to China and Europe let them deal with securing their own trade routes.
You are very naive to assume that 1) this chaos would remain contained in the Middle East 2) that America could decouple itself from the Middle East even as oil runs out (which isn’t happening just yet) and 3) that nobody else would move into the power vacuum. We have seen the chaos that comes when there is nobody at the helm in America (during the Trump presidency), including in the Middle East. Isolationism doesn’t work and the sole remaining superpower can not afford to be this foolish.
What are we protecting that is on our interest? It just sounds like we are subsidizing their peace.
Human rights and the liberal world order.
Not worth the blood of Americans.
Pretty grotesque thought. Let the region fall into chaos and profit from it with weapons sales. Maybe they shouod try that where you live first.
I’m sure they would if they could. But hey we don’t need to intervene to keep the peace.
Unfortunately we really do. Yes there have been some initiatives towards a green economy, but those are half measures and progressing slowly. For the time being the world economy is insanely dependent on oil. And yes, the US is part of the world.
Now you may have run some numbers on oil imports vs. exports. But that oil is controlled by corporations. Even if it may be a US corporation, their loyalty to the bottom line is significantly greater than their loyalty to the country. So if a US company can sell a barrel of oil to Europe for five cents more than they can sell it in the US, they will sell that oil to Europe.
Which means the US oil prices matches the global oil prices. If there’s a disruption in the oil supply anywhere in the world, it will affect the price of gas in the US. And the gas prices influences the voting decisions of many Americans, either directly, or indirectly when the economic performance drops because of disruptions in the oil market.
I too long for the day when we can tell Mr. Bonesaw to go pound sand, but unfortunately we’re not there yet.
Have to disagree with you there. We can stop oil exports in case of an emergency, like ol bonesaw getting the axe.
“Congress voted in 2015 to repeal a 40-year ban on exporting U.S. crude oil. Since that year, crude exports have skyrocketed nearly 600% to 3.2 million barrels per day in 2020, according to data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration.
Biden has authority under the legislation to declare an emergency and limit or stop oil exports for up to a year.”
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bipartisan-group-warns-biden-not-halt-us-oil-exports-letter-2021-12-09/