Police opened fire on a subway platform in Brooklyn during a confrontation with an alleged fare-beater, striking the man cops said was armed with a knife, two straphangers caught in the fray, and one of the firing officers, NYPD officials said Sunday.
One of those two passengers hit by the cops’ bullets, a 49-year-old man, was hospitalized in critical condition after he was hit struck in the head, according to the NYPD.
The two officers who opened fire were assigned to patrol the Sutter Avenue subway stop in the 73rd precinct when they spotted a man skip the station turnstile and walk through an open gate toward the train platform, Chief of Department Jeffrey Maddrey explained at an evening press conference from Brookdale Hospital.
Ahh yes. Nothing like killing a perp and a few bystanders for a few dollars’ worth of fare. USA! USA!
I think if people had even more guns this could have been avoided. What if there was a six year old with a 22 there to respond to the gunshots with some of his own? maybe less people would be dead.
Guns make everyone way safer. We need to start providing them in utero.
How dare you politicize gun violence while a police officer is injured!
Take the guns from the police and give them to the embryos. I think you’re on to something here.
They shot because the guy charged at them with a knife, not because of the fare. OP’s thread title is deliberately misleading, in a desperate attempt to twist this into ACAB fuel.
Any bystander injuries are to be blamed on the aggressor Mr. Knifey.
The knife that mysteriously doesn’t show up on any footage and couldn’t be located after the fact?
I know better than to believe police lies. It’s all they do. ACAB, no exceptions.
There’s a still image of the police body cam here which shows the knife.
https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-shooting-sutter-ave-subway-station-brooklyn/
Edit 4 days later: And now we have the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaAraFPzEo
NYPD goes HARD on toll jumpers, but there’s virtually zero enforcement on traffic and cars. Everywhere I go I see assholes with illegally modified vehicles, degenerates speeding down shoulders and medians, motorcycles on crowded sidewalks and pedestrian paths, and too many drunk drivers to count. There are so many cases where one pig parked on the shoulder during rush hour would fund the city budget for a year.
Instead we get whole families of pigs loitering by the turnstiles
The NYPD also loves to go after jaywalkers and vagrants, particularly when they’re interfering with the flow of street traffic.
Cars are King, baby.
This is why I could never be a cop. Someone skips over a turnstile in front of me, and all I would think is: “not even enough money to buy my next coffee, let alone the donut”
Like why care about public transport? There’s plenty of real crimes to handle in NYC.
Maddrey said the officers followed the man, each firing a Taser which proved ineffective in subduing the man. He then exited the train while it was still at the station and charged the officers with the knife, the chief said.
NYPD still haven’t produced a knife from the scene.
Why anyone would believe a word out of any pigs mouth without seeing body cam footage is beyond me
I mean according to the article, technically they just tried to stop him over the $2.90 fare.
Then because of that he threatened to kill them and they realized he had a knife so they tasered him.
Then when that didn’t work and he ran at them with the knife they opened fire.
Multiple people are still dead because they brought guns into a disagreement over $2.90, but the headline implies a lot more unreasonableness on the individual cops’ parts as opposed to the overall policy.
Then because of that he threatened to kill them
They claim he made a threat. The article failed to print his side of the story for some curious reason. It isn’t printing any testimony from the bystanders, either.
Multiple people are still dead because they brought guns into a disagreement over $2.90, but the headline implies a lot more unreasonableness on the individual cops’ parts as opposed to the overall policy.
Cops will often lie about the danger of a suspect in order to justify elevating their use-of-force. That said, they weren’t that concerned by his unreasonableness when they deployed tasers into the crowd first. They didn’t switch to guns until they realized the tasers weren’t going to work.
They claim he made a threat. The article failed to print his side of the story for some curious reason. It isn’t printing any testimony from the bystanders, either.
Fair enough, supposedly they were wearing body cams so hopefully some of what actually happened can be answered objectively, I’m just pointing out what the article said. If he didn’t make a threat or have a knife, then tasering him is a wild escalation, it’s just that if he did, then the police can’t really just let him get on a train.
Cops will often lie about the danger of a suspect in order to justify elevating their use-of-force. That said, they weren’t that concerned by his unreasonableness when they deployed tasers into the crowd first. They didn’t switch to guns until they realized the tasers weren’t going to work.
Again, assuming what the article says is true, which is a big assumption, it’s not that crazy to taser a guy who just got onto a train with a knife and threatened to you. At that point you’re looking at a potential mass stabbing incident if you do nothing.
Again, who knows, maybe the cops are blowing his behaviour wildly out of proportion, I’m just saying that, based on the article, it sounds like he wasn’t just gunned down for jumping a turnstile.
At that point you’re looking at a potential mass stabbing incident
Why hasn’t the city released the full body cam footage?
Probably because there was no knife in the footage.
Comments like these are all over the thread…
There’s a still image of the police body cam footage here which shows the knife: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nypd-shooting-sutter-ave-subway-station-brooklyn/
Edit 4 days later: And now we have the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EaAraFPzEo
Since when are stills taken from video that clear? Especially during a scuffle, and with questionable lighting… Something doesn’t add up.
Here’s the video the still came from.
Ok, fair enough, he had a knife. I’ll still criticize the cops for fucking shooting each other and bystanders over it as motherfucker tries to run away.
Go ahead. I responded to comments suggesting there wasn’t a knife and your ridiculous suggestion that the images were fabricated.
There’s no arguing with you if there’s no sources you believe.
You could say the same if I linked the whole damn video.
While they’re being excessively conspiratorial (For fuck’s sake, stills from an uncompressed video are that clear), that image doesn’t tell us anything. We don’t know who the person in that image even was, and it could just as easily have been a bystander, the alleged fare jumper or the cop who got shot that was wearing plain clothes. They could easily answer this question by just releasing the bodycam footage, but they haven’t done that, and time and time again we’ve seen the NYPD refuse to release any of the footage except some juicy still images to cover up gross misconduct of an officer. Personally I doubt this is the case, but the time when I could blindly accept that has long passed.
stills from an uncompressed video are that clear
All video is compressed, it’s just a question of how much. That said, they released the video, someone linked it, it is remarkably clear, so I concede that he did have a knife. However, it doesn’t look like he “charged at the cops” with it, rather he was running away, but didn’t realize one of the cops had gotten on the other side of him. You can really see his oh shit moment when he realizes the person he’s running toward is another cop, and he stops, but they’re already shooting him (and each other, and several passengers) by then. What was the rush? The train wasn’t going anywhere.
that image doesn’t tell us anything.
The comment I responded to says,
Probably because there was no knife in the footage.
So, I provided a still of the footage showing a knife.
Sure, we don’t know for sure who it is but I have a pretty good guess.
I too await the full footage.
Sorry but I’m not going to take the city or cops at their word because we’ve seen multiple similar incidents in the past where they spun their story then when forced to release the footage it’s a completely different story.
I’m responding to a comment that said there was no knife in the footage.
I linked a still of the footage showing a knife.
But we know whether there was a knife or not isn’t what you or most people on Lemmy care about. You don’t like cops so therefore they were wrong. Facts be damned.
Fair enough. However, they should release the footage regardless. Especially since 4 people got shot, 2 of which were bystanders, and that this was over a cheap fare. Cops are pretty untrustworthy.
However, they should release the footage regardless.
100% agree.
Can’t we just make the Subway so cheap that it’s not worth jumping the toll? Or make it so low income people get free fares.
Most americans believe the entire point of transit is to sort people who can afford it from people who cant.
If mass transit is affordable for all it is literally considered a threat to these pathetic people who would means test their own kids before they gave them food and shelter if it was socially acceptable.
I was in NYC recently and the amount of wealthier people who just ubered everywhere (or actually just demanded to own a car and drive themselves in the least car friendly place IN THE US) with no consideration for ever using the subway underneath their feet was pretty disgusting and appalling especially coming from somewhere without magic train tunnels underneath my feet that run 24/7…
Notice all of these narratives run essentially in parallel with a nebulous fear of the subway being stoked by Eric Adams and centrists, they provide a convenient impulse to rationalize taking the easy way out and clogging the streets with another useless car. Kind of like convincing yourself as a kid not to do a chore in the basement because the basement is scaryyyy, I mean look at this video from somebody in another basement experiencing a freak scary incident that would likely never ever happen to me!!!
I live somewhere with free bus transit in the US, and it is shocking how different it feels and yet also how many successful people around me with working cars just categorically ignore the use or possibility of using busses. The US is really really deeply fucked on this point and it makes me feel awful for the rest of the planet having to deal with our horrendous carbon footprints.
New York City has so much potential, but it is utterly ruined by rich conservative money suffocating the city in a chokehold.
I hate the US so much sigh
People love to point at crime numbers on the subway but ignore the percentages, like yeah there’s (making shit up , not actual numbers) 15 crimes a day but its NEW YORK CITY thats out of 50,000 rides or some shit. I did the actual math once and it was like 0.005% chance of a crime on the NYC subway, beats the hell out of auto numbers.
Agreed, did you know the NYC subway system moves about the same order of magnitude per day as the entire continental US air travel networks does. All those planes flying back and forth between countless different airports… the subway beneath NYC moves more people.
I think this statistic both puts into context the incredible order of magnitude power of subways for mass transit, and also helps put in perspective how dangerous they really are based on scary content uploading that is happening within a single subway car… you gotta zoom your brain out to see the sea of perfectly boring subway cars transporting people to work and back every single day.
That sounds nuts but having been there I wouldn’t be terribly surprised. I think the crazy part is (living in a bible belt rural city surrounded by pro-car everything and the various internet fearmongers) how mundane it all feels even at it’s peaks. Just a bunch of fucking people getting where they’re going. I’ve never understood the allure of sitting in gridlock for over an hour over just sharing space with a bunch of other boring normal assholes for 30 minutes (or whatever.)
My best friends are very pro car and liberal in that “sure better public transit is needed but ‘I’d’ never use it it doesn’t work for me cause XYZ” sorta way. I dragged them on an amtrak to DC, and took em on the subway up to our hotel and they’re just like “…oh that was chill.” Yeah, just fuckin people getting where they’re going it’s not a bath salt zombie apocalypse down here.
I am waiting for former cop PR man Adams’ defense of the cops with bated breath.
It sounds like the guy had a knife and threatened to use it. It also sounds like the cops tried to taze the guy first, but it didn’t work.
We can argue whether the cops really needed to shoot the guy. But they weren’t shooting at a fare evader, they were shooting at a guy with a knife who also happened to jump the turnstile.
I’d argue that the real problem is that the cops didn’t know how to de-escalate the situation without shooting. It’s like the tazer was their only “non-lethal” option, and when that didn’t work, they panicked. (I could also believe that they were simply incompetent, and couldn’t work the tazer properly.)
cops said was armed with a knife
You know they lie to cover their own asses, right?
Yes, but this time their body cams seem to have worked. Amazing how that happens when it shows things that can justify the cop’s story?
And yet they didn’t release the footage. Either there’s no knife or the behavior of the police was outrageously incompetent. If they were justified they’d be tripping over themselves to show it.
It only happened yesterday, if the footage backs up the cop’s story it will get released eventually.
Big IF
NYPD pays $126,000 annual salary, that’s about $60 an hour or $1 a minute, 4 cops respond to the fair jumper, if they spent more than 45 seconds on this it costs the city more than the fair was worth.
No way would I do that job at that pay in NYC, especially as long as pretty much any idiot in the USA can own a gun.
the man cops said was armed with a knife
Title is meant to make you believe the shooting is about the fare. That seems deliberate.
Problem is, the knife can’t be found. So all we have are the polices word that there was a knife.
Shoulda sprinkled some crack on him, then they can shoot everybody, who can argue?
So you’re against lying or?
still worth shooting two innocent people? can’t radio his description? was he “armed” or did he use it? huge distinction there. I’m always “armed” with my pocket knife, should I start dodging bullets? was he being pursued for a crime?
also, without video the cops are lying by default. can’t trust a cop to do the right thing ever.
I’m always “armed” with my pocket knife, should I start dodging bullets?
Would you pull it without being specifically asked to in a police encounter? Don’t be obtuse. (Edit: And say you’ll kill them)
I have no problem waiting for a video to decide on this one, personally. But the title is dogshit.
2nd edit: Here’s another source which has a still of the video, showing the knife.
I conceal carry. Believe it or not, I would inform police that I’m carrying as soon as an encounter starts, tell them where it is on my person, and ask if they would like to see my CCW license. But I’m not a fucking idiot, so…
I agree with all your points, I just don’t trust police at all. it’s been repeatedly proven they will lie and jam you up, and they have too much power. their word means shit to me, video, or at least audio of it happening, even a legit witness, or they are lying off the bat.
I was even recently pulled over by a cop in an unmarked car saying I cut him off. he didn’t pull me over until I flipped him off for blaring his horn at me. he reversed on the highway to follow me off the exit and still didn’t put on lights, he was a road rager to me at that point and was ready to defend myself, I carry CCW also. he pulled up to my driver’s side and yelled at me from the other lane, no indication at all it was a traffic stop, so I told him to fuck off, didn’t care or know that he was police.
when he followed me into the parking lot, he finally put on lights. I got out recording, dashcam going as well. I repeatedly tell him if he’s a real cop to get someone else there now, I didn’t give him my id, just kept telling him to give me a ticket or fuck off. kept telling him he was butthurt over the middle finger, if I was really guilty of cutting him off, he should have pulled me over when I got in front of him, not after I flipped him off. I must have told him to fuck off and fuck your mom 10 times. I wasn’t having any of his shit.
another unit arrives with a ticket book, and he lied on the ticket, put some charge that was “reckless driving” about not coming to a stop before entering a highway, which was complete bullshit. I go to court, present dashcam of me making a safe lane change with blinker and space, judge is like wtf is this charge? immediately dismissed it, literally 2 min from calling my name.
cop accosts me outside the courtroom and still tries to tell me I’m wrong, admitting that he gets run off the road all the time. he’s a shitty driver, claims he didn’t see my blinker (no dashcam on his vehicle of course) and really pulled me over for hurt feelings. fuck him.
point is, I would have had reckless driving on my record had I not defended myself over this shitty cop. before the court date, I was looking at the exact citation and was driving myself crazy trying to figure out how that applied to what actually happened. luckily the judge saw and it was just as confused when he read it out loud. I fucking hate cops if you can’t tell.
I think unless you brandish your knife while doing crime, scream at the cops to shoot you, and still put up a fight after 3 attempts to taser you, you’ll probably be OK.
Would you pull it without being specifically asked to in a police encounter?
This basically amounts to “you should care about Haitians eating pets because you like animals”, it overlooks that the veracity of the claim is not established…
Crazy how it was like I thought and the guy pulled it without being asked and would not drop it.
No, it’s actually nothing like that at all because I don’t believe that happens often at all.
Whereas people pulling guns and knives on others, cops included, happens all the damn time.
At least it was underground, limiting how many people were in the line of fire, every few years they open fire at someone on a major avenue in Manhattan in a crowd. Good times. I’m so glad the democratic party destroyed Scott Stringer by bribing his ex-gf to falsely accuse him of being a sex pest to ensure the DNC’s man, Eric Adams, the biggest shithead to ever come out of the NYPD, could become mayor-king of NYC, guaranteeing Guiliani-level daily police misconduct with impunity.
