“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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    it’s irrelevant who you blame because your argument is a strawman and tu quoque logical fallacy.

    Russia, and Russia alone is to blame for the war in Ukraine, as they are the ones who invaded and refuse to leave. The war will end only when they leave, regardless of how much you try to deflect blame onto anyone else.

    edit: and the fact that you call the US a “warmonger” simply for helping Ukraine defend itself reminds me of this:

    “DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.”

    have a nice day.

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      At least we agree that I didn’t say what I didn’t say.

      I’m calling the US a warmonger because it’s been a warmonger for it’s brief but entire history. Even if it turns out that this is the one war in which US motivations are good (i.e. not to make profit or further it’s interests), it would still be a warmonger for every other war that it caused and prosecuted.

      No amount of ‘just war’ will cancel out what the US did to Iraq or Libya or Vietnam or Laos or any number of other military atrocities.

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        At least we agree that I didn’t say what I didn’t say.

        i never agreed to that

        I’m calling the US a warmonger because it’s been a warmonger for it’s brief but entire history

        now you’re just changing your argument again by moving the goalposts to yet another tu quoque fallacy.

        Even if it turns out that this is the one war in which US motivations are good (i.e. not to make profit or further it’s interests), it would still be a warmonger for every other war that it caused and prosecuted.

        so, you even admit that your earlier assertions aren’t necessarily factual, you’re just arguing in bad faith because you have a grudge about what the US did in the past, which has no bearing hereand is therefore irrelevant. like I said: a straw man and a tu quoque logical fallacy. in other words: bullshit. You just don’t like the US, and you’ll malign them for helping Ukraine defend itself, regardless of the merits, which you, yourself admit.

        Your argument is no based in facts, it’s based in your agenda of anger and bitterness.

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          Classic liberal - “history doesn’t matter, the only things that matter are within the contextual boundaries I draw that support my assertions. No, you’re the fallacy!”

          Pure brain rot