No they are not if they had alternatives. Back with Hillary many polls showed that Trump voters would rather vote for Bernie Sanders than Hillary. And that Bernie Sanders had a bigger chance of winning.
Obviously Bernie Sanders is way further to the left. But the moron Democrats wanted a more to the right wall street friendly candidate.
And they got what they deserved.
Yes all we need is a time machine because we know that we cannot suddenly generalize the public opinion of Bernie to also apply during a time where Trump wins an election handily.
How is it different now? Trump won against Hillary, although he didn’t win the popular vote.
Democrats had ruined their chances pushing Biden and demanding everybody pool together behind him.
I personally liked Harris and thought she would win. Why she didn’t IDK, all I know is that the Democratic label is not very strong, and apparently she didn’t bring enough to swing the vote.
In general I just refuse to subscribe to this narrative that voters can be treated like wild animals and that you should never expect even self-preservation because: Democrat bad.
If Bernie were on the ballot this time around he would’ve lost and he might have even back then. Voters and society are trash. And it’s not even necessarily their fault if you zoom out far enough but it’s fucking true.
No kidding Bernie is 83 years old now. It’s like saying Jimmy Carter would have lost!
The problem is that Democrats doesn’t push new younger candidates, with new ideas, they don’t even have to be that new, as long as they aren’t decidedly obsolete.
But the main problem remains that a 2 party system is merely one party better than China.
Many Americans seem to not grasp the truth in that.
You should try criticizing the democratic party without making a point to say that people are right to vote against them. In that case I would potentially be able to converse with you.
without making a point to say that people are right to vote against them
I didn’t do that, I’d NEVER claim anyone is right to vote for Trump. It’s only that the democrats failed to create any enthusiasm at all, and they’ve had decades to try to improve democracy in USA, and has done nothing.
Democrats have been happy with the status quo for decades, so they don’t inspire enthusiasm.
Also I’ll criticize democrats as much as I want. The best thing about them is that they are not sociopaths like the republicans, but that’s a fucking low bar, and still they failed!!!
Also, you seem to think I’m trying to say you can’t criticize. I said I would be able to talk to you if your criticism was to my standard of fairness. In the same vein of blaming Democrats for not inspiring people to give enough of a shit to vote, I also think it’s not fair to say Democrats have done “nothing”.
They have tried to do things, arguably half assed but attempts were made, countered by the GOP every step of the way. You can’t just magically change everything if you’re a political party, and that goes especially for changing the overall attitude of millions of people. These are people who display repeatedly that they are receptive to the right wing talking points.
Those talking points play directly on their base instinct fears. It’s quite ridiculous to me to suggest that if only Democrats were different could we suddenly reverse all that fear based propaganda. This country is way more conservative than I ever wanted to believe. If it wasn’t, Trump couldn’t have ever won. Because as powerful as all that propaganda is, it wouldn’t work on people were at all informed or who had a leftist bone in their body.
Your standard of fairness is skewed, possibly because of a lifetime of privilege, or maybe you think you are only temporarily inconvenienced?
Fairness was completely thrown out the window, when Republicans chose Trump as their presidential candidate 3 times!
They’ll happily make the same choice again too, even as the country burns down around us. The left wont support war crimes no matter what gun you try to hold to their head. And the dem party cant win anything without them. What to do…
Abandon AIPAC funding? nooo, that crazy! cant do that, right?
How do you figure that? When what I criticize is the lack of political action and ambition by the democrats when facing Trump.
As an example Pelosy was a menace for blocking actions against Trump, at his last presidency, there’s a long list of lack of doing anything, even when it’s desperately needed!!
This is not on the left, they have been screaming that more needs to be done, that the democratic party lacks ambition. How the fuck is it their fault?
The problem is that democracy in USA is dysfunctional, and Democrats are absolutely part of that problem.
That has nothing to do with saying they are the same, because obviously democrats were the lesser evil, and obviously everybody should have turned up to vote. But the reason they didn’t, was that democrats didn’t give them a good enough reason to do so, backing an 80 year old relic for most of the campaign.
I actually tried to get people to see why it was important to vote Biden instead of Trump, but people simply didn’t care.
So what do YOU think should have been done differently, because Biden would have lost even worse than Harris. How is it not the fault of democrats that they didn’t manage to get their presidential candidate elected over an evil sociopathic liar like Trump?
And how is it wrong to reflect over it, and point it out?
No they are not if they had alternatives. Back with Hillary many polls showed that Trump voters would rather vote for Bernie Sanders than Hillary. And that Bernie Sanders had a bigger chance of winning.
Obviously Bernie Sanders is way further to the left. But the moron Democrats wanted a more to the right wall street friendly candidate.
And they got what they deserved.
Yes all we need is a time machine because we know that we cannot suddenly generalize the public opinion of Bernie to also apply during a time where Trump wins an election handily.
How is it different now? Trump won against Hillary, although he didn’t win the popular vote.
Democrats had ruined their chances pushing Biden and demanding everybody pool together behind him.
I personally liked Harris and thought she would win. Why she didn’t IDK, all I know is that the Democratic label is not very strong, and apparently she didn’t bring enough to swing the vote.
In general I just refuse to subscribe to this narrative that voters can be treated like wild animals and that you should never expect even self-preservation because: Democrat bad.
If Bernie were on the ballot this time around he would’ve lost and he might have even back then. Voters and society are trash. And it’s not even necessarily their fault if you zoom out far enough but it’s fucking true.
No kidding Bernie is 83 years old now. It’s like saying Jimmy Carter would have lost!
The problem is that Democrats doesn’t push new younger candidates, with new ideas, they don’t even have to be that new, as long as they aren’t decidedly obsolete.
But the main problem remains that a 2 party system is merely one party better than China.
Many Americans seem to not grasp the truth in that.
You should try criticizing the democratic party without making a point to say that people are right to vote against them. In that case I would potentially be able to converse with you.
I didn’t do that, I’d NEVER claim anyone is right to vote for Trump. It’s only that the democrats failed to create any enthusiasm at all, and they’ve had decades to try to improve democracy in USA, and has done nothing.
Democrats have been happy with the status quo for decades, so they don’t inspire enthusiasm.
Also I’ll criticize democrats as much as I want. The best thing about them is that they are not sociopaths like the republicans, but that’s a fucking low bar, and still they failed!!!
Also, you seem to think I’m trying to say you can’t criticize. I said I would be able to talk to you if your criticism was to my standard of fairness. In the same vein of blaming Democrats for not inspiring people to give enough of a shit to vote, I also think it’s not fair to say Democrats have done “nothing”.
They have tried to do things, arguably half assed but attempts were made, countered by the GOP every step of the way. You can’t just magically change everything if you’re a political party, and that goes especially for changing the overall attitude of millions of people. These are people who display repeatedly that they are receptive to the right wing talking points.
Those talking points play directly on their base instinct fears. It’s quite ridiculous to me to suggest that if only Democrats were different could we suddenly reverse all that fear based propaganda. This country is way more conservative than I ever wanted to believe. If it wasn’t, Trump couldn’t have ever won. Because as powerful as all that propaganda is, it wouldn’t work on people were at all informed or who had a leftist bone in their body.
Your standard of fairness is skewed, possibly because of a lifetime of privilege, or maybe you think you are only temporarily inconvenienced?
Fairness was completely thrown out the window, when Republicans chose Trump as their presidential candidate 3 times!
You were dismissive of “disillusioned leftists” which are just as bad as a trump voters. They made a choice to not help a damned thing
They’ll happily make the same choice again too, even as the country burns down around us. The left wont support war crimes no matter what gun you try to hold to their head. And the dem party cant win anything without them. What to do…
Abandon AIPAC funding? nooo, that crazy! cant do that, right?
How do you figure that? When what I criticize is the lack of political action and ambition by the democrats when facing Trump.
As an example Pelosy was a menace for blocking actions against Trump, at his last presidency, there’s a long list of lack of doing anything, even when it’s desperately needed!!
This is not on the left, they have been screaming that more needs to be done, that the democratic party lacks ambition. How the fuck is it their fault?
The problem is that democracy in USA is dysfunctional, and Democrats are absolutely part of that problem.
That has nothing to do with saying they are the same, because obviously democrats were the lesser evil, and obviously everybody should have turned up to vote. But the reason they didn’t, was that democrats didn’t give them a good enough reason to do so, backing an 80 year old relic for most of the campaign.
I actually tried to get people to see why it was important to vote Biden instead of Trump, but people simply didn’t care.
So what do YOU think should have been done differently, because Biden would have lost even worse than Harris. How is it not the fault of democrats that they didn’t manage to get their presidential candidate elected over an evil sociopathic liar like Trump?
And how is it wrong to reflect over it, and point it out?