I’m not sure how accurate StatCounter is, given that most Linux users use adblockers. However, according to it, Linux has almost a 14% desktop share in India.

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    …but not legal. Being poor doesn’t necessarily mean you’re inclined to break the law. Besides, Linux is useful if you perhaps want to later get a job in the tech field.

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      You’re not breaking the law, you’re breaking a software license agreement. That does not automatically make it a crime, at least, that would depend on your exact local laws, and the lawyer’s interpretation of it - in many cases the actual wording around this is ambiguous and could be argued both ways. A better term for it would be a “legal grey area”, which means if you’re a company then don’t f*** around with it, and if you’re just a random user then no one gives a f***.

      In any case, if those scripts were truly illegal, then the Microsoft-owned Github wouldn’t host them in the first place. Clearly Microsoft themselves don’t have an issue with it, so why should anyone else care about it?

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        Yes, you are breaking a law. Copyright infringement in this manner is an offence under the Copyright Act 1957 punishable with up to three years imprisonment and a fine.

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          But you’re not infringing on any copyright. You’re downloading a copy of Windows directly from Microsoft legally, and then activating it using a free and open-source script hosted on Microsoft’s own servers. You aren’t breaking any copyright law in doing that.

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            That’s how it should work, but creating a derivative of a copyrighted work, through modification, even if it is for personal use, is technically illegal in the US.

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              Copyright doesn’t even apply until you attempt to distribute the covered work, so no, this is false.

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            That’s not relevant. We’re talking about why Indian people are using Linux in greater numbers so only Indian law really matters in the context of this discussion.

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              I think copyright and ownership law only broken in France tho? I never seen many country that has no that kind of law? Well if you ask implementation… It’s different things. 😂

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                Well, your thought is wrong. Copyright infringement is an offence in India. It’s also an offence in the United States, where I live. It is also an offence in Indonesia (seeing you’re using an Indonesian instance), punishable by three years imprisonment and a 500 million rupiah fine. But maybe it’s not enforced well there so you didn’t know about it

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                  I know there are law about it. But the implementation is different. That’s why I said the implementation not the law. So the enforcement is broken.

                  Last time I know business software alliance taking someone to court is when Ballmer still a CEO.

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                    I cannot comment on how vigorously the law is enforced in other countries because I am not familiar with the legal environment. In the United States, downloading pirated content will eventually get legal notices sent to your internet service provider, who will threaten to (and legally is required to) disconnect you for repeated piracy. Using copyrighted pictures off the Internet will result in legal threats sent to you as well demanding settlements of hundreds of US dollars per picture, and they will follow through with a lawsuit if you don’t pay. Although I have no specific examples of what Microsoft has done, Autodesk and Adobe have sued people who used pirated copies of their software for millions of dollars. People who operate websites offering pirated content have been prosecuted and sent to prison.

                    Maybe you as an individual can get away with it in your country, but don’t assume it is the case all over the world.

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      resold oem key is not legal as well.

      only legal options are: get windows with your device or purchase retail for a hunnit $.

      just accept it and pirate.

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        only legal options are

        You could also just download the ISO from MS directly and use it without activation. It’ll only prevent you from changing the theme and wallpaper, but you could just change the registry entries directly or use a third-party tool to change your wallpaper/theme.

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          And no BitLocker (without fiddling around even more)? No, thanks.

          There’s no way Microsoft can win this moral battle, they’ll profit off you enough with all their tracking, have you seen the atrocious setup screen at installation they put you through?

          • Do you want to ads?
          • Do you want to a keylogger?
          • Do you want to get tracked?
          • Do you want to get fucked?

          Yes, please, daddy GatesNadella

          (Sorry, can’t help myself from sounding like a nutjob when Microsoft gets into the equation)

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            Not sure what you’re getting at here. I’m a Linux user FYI, I’m just disagreeing with the OP’s comment that there are only two legal options.

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        It’s of questionable legality. It’s not illegal as in “piracy”, but the seller, or whoever obtained that key from Microsoft, is violating their agreement with Microsoft by reselling the keys.

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      I absolutely agree that Linux is great and I genuinely hate Windows for number of reasons. The problem is that some people just have to use Windows. This might include me in a few days, because I’m in high school and we have to install Solidworks. I think that for these people, Windows Activation Scripts are a good option that is safe (like it’s not a virus), is free (because I don’t want to pay for OS that I’m forced to use for some reason) and is safe in the meaning that there is no way of legal consequences if you are an individual, AFAIK. Also the licenses from 3rd party websites are often stolen licenses and buying them is IMO worse than activating Windows using the scripts, since you are supporting scammers.

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      Who makes the laws?

      Do the people making the laws respect the laws they create?

      They create the laws for whom?

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        1. Parliament
        2. Generally, no.
        3. Votebank politics, blind nationalist ideology, backward superstitions, “patrons”, favouritism, nepotism, &c. Indian politics is flawed in many ways but that is a discussion for another time.
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        You really need to learn to read properly. What I’m saying is that being poor on its own does not incline people to commit crime. You read it as “People commit piracy if and only if they are poor”, which is the only statement under which your reply and its implications would be logically sound.

        Is being poor correlated with piracy? Yes. But I argue the much bigger factors are the lack of availability of legitimate methods of acquiring software in India as well as the difficulty of acquiring such legitimate copies, even when they are available. There are also cultural differences that make piracy more acceptable in India than in other places, such as Europe or North America.

        Think of it like this: a hypothetical 13-year-old child in the United States who wants a video game and sees it on Steam for 60 USD may consider piracy, but is much more likely to save up for it and buy it legitimately when they get a Steam gift card for their birthday or ask their parents for it for Christmas. Their parents can easily go to Walmart or Amazon and buy a copy. Meanwhile, a child in India who sees the same game for sale for the equivalent of 5,000 INR will know that is firstly a ludicrous amount to save for, and secondly, may not be available in their region, and thirdly, lacks the ability to simply ask for it for their birthday or something. Gift cards don’t seem to be too common in India. A person living in India is also less likely to have access to banking infrastructure that allows for easy electronic payment. Even things bought on Amazon have “cash upon delivery” available as a payment method. That is how undeveloped India’s payment infrastructure is. Meanwhile in the USA, every teenager has their own bank account and debit card. As a result, the Indian teenager is more likely to pirate. But it is not solely because they are poorer.

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          It’s not that deep.

          • Kid wants a video game thats paid

          • Kid searches the game piracy website and finds it.

          • Kid downloads and plays the pirated game

          Every kid does this and you know it. People don’t consider downloading things off of internet as some sort of a moral test or a criminal action. And software piracy is just in paper in some countries.

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            It’s not that shallow. You are trying to use an anecdote, and not even a concrete anecdote, to argue a matter of statistics. The anecdote isn’t even illustrative of any point. It is utterly disconnected from any statistical argument. It is not logically sound and you should know that. We’re talking about how many people pirate things, not whether any given person pirates something. What you have argued in your comment is, “there exists a set of circumstances where a person could reasonably be driven to commit piracy”. That is neither persuasive to your thesis nor particularly enlightening.

            I really wish rhetoric was taught as a standard subject in grade school. It must not be where you’re from.