A Chicago-area landlord has been arrested and charged with murder and hate crimes after authorities said he stabbed and killed a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounded his mother, allegedly because the tenants are Muslim.
Here’s the problem I have with the whole wack-ass federation system:
Those Hexbear trolls could just make accounts on other instances and keep messing with people without consequences.
Most major Lemmy instances aren’t heavily moderated and the ones that are are only modded to serve the emotional whims of the mods and admins, and not for the benefit of the users.
The whole-ass structure still has a hierarchy and therefore is still problematic.
Except other instances don’t allow hate speech and behavior like Hexbear admins do. Their whole instance is dedicated to trolling and spreading hate and disinformation. So they really can’t just go anywhere and act like they do.
That’s not gonna stop them. They can arbitrarily make as many accounts as they need to do it, and just bounce from account to account one comment at a time if necessary.
Most people have at least a few alts on other instances simply by virtue of instance shopping. Meaning most people already can evade bans.
Once again your interest in the subject has nothing to do with the subject themselves and everything to do with you. It’s not about what’s best for the community but what is interesting and relevant to you.
And it does, because I am the one who has been calling out popular instances for this crap since day one and have been banned repeatedly for it. To which you don’t bat an eye because who cares what happens to an inebriated pachyderm? Instance admins would never abuse their power to protect their feelings or cover up their wrongdoing with you. You’re kind and sober, after all.
Ask yourself where it is you’re going to go when .world admins ban you for criticizing them, or other innocuous shit like your political speech, or simply because they don’t like you. .world controls the vast majority of Lemmy’s userbase so what happens to you and any followings you build then? What will happen when major protests erupt next year and they censor people like fucking Reddit did?
All I can do is warn you. And once again you’ll refuse to listen to me because you’re too busy, how did you put it? Making it all about you and your hurt feelings from my words instead of displaying the humility and wisdom required to do what’s right. And the one who will pay the price for it is you.
That’s not gonna stop them. They can arbitrarily make as many accounts as they need to do it, and just bounce from account to account one comment at a time if necessary.
There’s a finite number of servers though that they can create accounts on.
The admins of those servers would notice someone spamming account creations just to make comments and bypass bans.
What you’re describing is not a federation issue, it’s a server admin issue.
If they have that much spare time then let them. They can rule over lemmy and the rest of us get to enjoy the actual world while they’re tied up screaming at their keyboards.
Here’s the problem I have with the whole wack-ass federation system:
Those Hexbear trolls could just make accounts on other instances and keep messing with people without consequences.
Most major Lemmy instances aren’t heavily moderated and the ones that are are only modded to serve the emotional whims of the mods and admins, and not for the benefit of the users.
The whole-ass structure still has a hierarchy and therefore is still problematic.
Except other instances don’t allow hate speech and behavior like Hexbear admins do. Their whole instance is dedicated to trolling and spreading hate and disinformation. So they really can’t just go anywhere and act like they do.
That’s not gonna stop them. They can arbitrarily make as many accounts as they need to do it, and just bounce from account to account one comment at a time if necessary.
Most people have at least a few alts on other instances simply by virtue of instance shopping. Meaning most people already can evade bans.
It’s just a bad, broken system.
A bad and broken system isn’t an excuse for doing nothing about a problem.
Defederation is the best option available.
Much better than requiring individuals to block toxic instances.
I agree with you. I am merely pointing out the facts of the matter, that’s all.
People who don’t have skin in the game often like to point out the facts, or play devil’s advocate.
And yet here I am, telling you facts being the one to suffer the most from calling them out, while nothing bad happens to you. Fancy that
Once again your interest in the subject has nothing to do with the subject themselves and everything to do with you. It’s not about what’s best for the community but what is interesting and relevant to you.
And it does, because I am the one who has been calling out popular instances for this crap since day one and have been banned repeatedly for it. To which you don’t bat an eye because who cares what happens to an inebriated pachyderm? Instance admins would never abuse their power to protect their feelings or cover up their wrongdoing with you. You’re kind and sober, after all.
Ask yourself where it is you’re going to go when .world admins ban you for criticizing them, or other innocuous shit like your political speech, or simply because they don’t like you. .world controls the vast majority of Lemmy’s userbase so what happens to you and any followings you build then? What will happen when major protests erupt next year and they censor people like fucking Reddit did?
All I can do is warn you. And once again you’ll refuse to listen to me because you’re too busy, how did you put it? Making it all about you and your hurt feelings from my words instead of displaying the humility and wisdom required to do what’s right. And the one who will pay the price for it is you.
There’s a finite number of servers though that they can create accounts on.
The admins of those servers would notice someone spamming account creations just to make comments and bypass bans.
What you’re describing is not a federation issue, it’s a server admin issue.
Yep, the same thing happened on Reddit. Account banned? Make a new one.
If they have that much spare time then let them. They can rule over lemmy and the rest of us get to enjoy the actual world while they’re tied up screaming at their keyboards.