Honestly, using Linux Mint lately and it’s been far smoother than my previous linux attempts. Granted, there’s much better tech today to help, but yeah it’s been nice. My only sadness is not getting my singular Xbox App game playable on linux.
A low place indeed when even the high seas deliver not your treasure.
Recently I was using Ubuntu and needed to recall a terminal command I had used a couple weeks prior. Luckily, my terminal commands are logged in the ~/.bash_history text file. Easy, convenient, customizable, and no AI needed!
Ctrl+r in any terminal will open up a search mode for your history.
Thank you. I was just pushing the up arrow a hundred times.
Is ubuntu still alright? I’ve only ever used that kernel and it was on machine that was prepped for it, would y’all say it’s relatively easy to install yourself?
Ubuntu is good, actually. It has basically the widest out of the box hardware and software support of any distribution, a decent default UI and an easy installer. Its downsides are that it has a reputation as baby’s first Linux so you don’t get any hipster cred and some people don’t like that it uses snap as a package format for some things, including Firefox.
How do I dislike Ubuntu, let me count the ways:
- Desktop whiplash: Gnome, Unity, no Gnome…
- snap pushed into the default distro, long before it’s a net-positive (and it’s still not a net positive, IMO)
- You want this security update that somebody else published? Yeah, we want your money.
I’ve used Ubuntu heavily since 14.04 through 24.04… my new system installs are going Debian 12 with XFCE, and yes - I did evaluate Xubuntu, I’m actually typing this from an Xubuntu machine right now that’s planned to be getting Debian if it ever needs a re-image.
Ubuntu wasn’t a bad choice, still isn’t a terrible choice, but if you’re going to have to strip out snap by hand and deal with security updates by hand after 4-5 years and install a “niche” desktop version to get out from Gnome’s rather inflexible view of things, might as well just go to Debian and be done with whatever “new deals” Canonical comes up with in the future.
Great effort and all but until we can get an .exe to run in windows to install the new system, this will not attract anybody but the 0.01%.
Yes, for us in the know it’s no biggie to get an USB stick, play with Rufus or the kind, fiddle with ”BIOS” but for the average user even the first step is just too much.
Windows can install new Windows and modify EFI stuff, and macOS can install new macOS so why can’t Linux use the same mechanisms? Especially as in the history there used to be some projects that could do this…
Best chance in decades to bring Linux to desktop and it looks like we blew it by being too accustomed to difficulty, not being united behind the effort and whatnot :(
Yo, you’re giving me ideas. Maybe I can make use of my old laptop, get Windows on it (if possible), and try to do something like this. Could the average user run something through the terminal? I know PowerShell and some CMD. Or I could figure out how to GUI as well. I’d need to sketch out what such an app would do. Downloading a Linux distro would be step one. Not sure if I could make BIOS changes, though, and install. I guess with my current abilities, it’d end up being an auto ISO downloader and USB flasher at best. But I’d be down to learn and try. I’d need a basic Install Linux 101 guide, to “mimic” through a script. Could be a fun project.
Not my text but here’s what Gemini laid out, apparently projects like WubiUEFI do something like this but with caveats.
” Project: “One-Click Linux” Installer Objective: A simple .exe for non-technical users to install a full Linux distribution from Windows 10/11. The process will be fully automated after a single click.
Core Technologies & Components
- The Windows Application (.exe)
- GUI Framework: .NET (C#) to build a minimal user interface and leverage deep Windows integration.
- Disk Partitioner: Script the built-in Windows diskpart.exe utility to automatically shrink the existing Windows partition and create a new one for Linux. Requires Administrator privileges.
- Installer Preparation: Download a pre-selected Linux distribution (e.g., Linux Mint) and extract its core files.
- The Bridge from Windows to Linux
- Boot Configuration: Use Windows bcdedit.exe to create a temporary, one-time boot entry that points directly to the Linux installer, bypassing the normal Windows boot.
- Automated Installation: Generate a preseed or kickstart script. This file will provide all the answers to the Linux installer automatically (language, keyboard, and instructions to use the partition created earlier).
- The Modern Boot Solution (Post-Installation)
- Boot Manager: rEFInd. The automated Linux install will install rEFInd. It is chosen for its superior auto-detection of both Windows and Linux, and its user-friendly graphical interface. It will automatically provide a clean, icon-based menu to choose an OS on startup.
- Boot Method: EFI Stub. The Linux kernel will be launched directly by rEFInd as a bootable EFI application. This is a fast, clean, and modern method that avoids the complexity of older bootloaders. rEFInd will handle discovering the kernel and presenting it as a boot option. ”
Eh, now that I think about it, such a project would either need to take a lot of decisions for the user, or risk becoming too complex for giving the user options. I mean, I see partitioning, and I realise that’s something I hadn’t thought of. I assumed just an install, but what if the user wants dual boot? What distro to pick? How much space for each “boot”? Do we choose a specific DE or take the distro’s main or default? So many variables. I mean, it’s one thing to BAM! Ubuntu auto-installer .exe. Now, to allow for user choices… or not to? You either give options, which could be overwhelmimg to someone who might not even understand all that, or become simple and, in the process, heavily “opinionated”
Mint is really good , but a while ago I was having issues with Mint , swapped to Fedora Desktop. No more bad feelings to Linux again
fedora coo. i coo fedor
for all Ubuntu haters there is a Debian Version of Mint. And second Linux Mint is the perfekt set and forget Distro. No Tinkering for a basic PC without special Requirements.
And i love it that almost all agree that when a noob ask what Distro to choose that Linux mint is every time in the proposed Distros
Why are there Ubuntu haters? I’m on the verge of installing Linux on my desktop and have the Ubuntu pro installer on a thumb drive ready. I’m worried now…
I started out thinking to go with Mint, seems popular, but there was an instruction to verify the ISO image and it was just too complex. https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=291093
I’m already using Linux on an old laptop (Zorin) so I’m not inexperienced, but good lord that’s a faff and a half. I have a life!
My advice: run a server (any server) or three, and keep your important / personal stuff there. It can be as simple as a Raspberry Pi with a big external SSD. The PC you use as a desktop environment should be easily built / configured from the base distro into whatever customizations you want, and you can either work with your personal files on the server, or mirror copies of them to your desktop system as appropriate (things like “living documents” should be primarily stored and backed up on servers, things like photo collections etc. can be stored on the server, but copied to the desktop for easy access like rotating wallpaper or whatever.)
If (when, really) any one of your systems goes down, it shouldn’t be a big deal. If it’s a server, restore from another server mirror / backups. If it’s your desktop, install a new desktop and get your customizations off a server.
Of course this is an ideal, but keep in mind that SSDs are not “forever” devices, they do wear out and each single copy of your data will be corrupted some day. Spinning rust is even less reliable, in my experience, although I have one 2TB hard drive that has been online for more than 10 years now. It’s mirrored, twice, on SSDs.
What’s with all the Mint hype? I’ve never used it and have little desire to go back to a Ubuntu-based distro. Just curious why everyone loves it so much.
Mint is easy. Easy is good.
Even if you can configure your way through Arch to a killer custom system, is that really what you want to do every time on every computer in your life?
Getting my first computer up wasn’t too bad - really no more time to configure it than anything else, and you can just toss your packages to a a text file and your dotfikes to GitHub. Didn’t take long at all to get my second computer set up
I just spun up a HTPC on Debian 12+XFCE. It “wasn’t too bad” but it really was more time to configure it than under Ubuntu. Totally worth it, to me. With XFCE I’m getting the desktop I want, not the desktop Gnome thinks I should have. I have the features I want, and any feature I don’t want is easily banished.
But, I must admit, getting to that final further from perfect Ubuntu/Gnome configuration probably took 1/4 as many “tech flex lifts” in vanilla Ubuntu as the Debian+XFCE install took. For Debian, I had to get sudo working for my default account - which involved a “su root” and otherwise running some programs directly out of /usr/sbin - easy stuff, when you know how. I also had to configure for auto-login with more than a simple checkbox in the installer process. The XFCE launcher panel configuration is “powerful” - meaning: more hands on. Then there’s an annoying XFCE trait that I finally figured out, something about when the EDID connection glitches you get spurious “Monitor Settings” dialogs popping up. I forget if it was that one, or something else, but when I was trying to configure the dialog properly, one of the tabs wasn’t showing until I resized the dialog window bigger - something that seemed like it shouldn’t be necessary but definitely was because I looked all over for that configuration option, didn’t see it due to the “hidden” tab issue, and finally got a clue from a blog post mentioning the need to resize the window to get to it… Canonical does polish off more of those rough edges, in Gnome. Then they make you wait for snap update activity by default - I’ll polish my own rough edges, thanks.
For the most part, it works well without needing too much tinkering by the user. It’s the Fisher Price My First Distro.
I tried it out with a 21.3 dualboot with Windows 11 and within 2 or 3 months I hadn’t gone back to Windows other than to push files over. Sure, there were a few “learning opportunities” with tweaks or weird driver issues that were because of the particular hardware I’m using, but they were manageable. At this point I’m running 22.1 only on this machine.
The nice part is that being Ubuntu-based, if I run into a problem, I can search for both the more widely-documented Ubuntu version of the issue, or look for a Mint-related version. Claude does a great job with small-to-medium troubleshooting rather than me dig through forums. It’s low-risk, low-work, high-reward.
Calling is a “Fischer Price” distro is a little patronizing. I’m a seasoned Linux user and I use Mint for work because I just want something that works when my paycheck is on the line. Mint has never broken on me and always works.
I ran it for a while, and loved it. Cinnamon is sleek and feels polished. The installation is really fast and not bloated with garbage software.
Everything generally works, and the interface feels familiar.
It is Ubuntu/Debian under the hood, so compatibility with most software is good. Bleeding edge drivers may run into issues, but most of them work with a little fiddling.
It’s worth a try. If nothing else toss it on a USB drive and give it a test drive.
I ran Ubuntu for like 15 years and was especially recently getting frustrated by how far behind the packages always were. I’m full in on Arch - everything about it has been a much better experience.
What’s made Arch better for you?
For me it’s been the availability of packages, and how up-to-date things are. The AUR is a gamechanger.
After 15 years, aren’t you questioning: how far out on the bleeding edge do I need to be?
I mean, if the absolute most advanced bleeding edge is “where it was at” five years ago - isn’t a stable system that’s up to speed with where the good things were five years ago even better?
That’s one of the beauties of Linux, if you need something else than want you can probably get another distro that suits your needs. OP was asking about newbies. I set up Mint for my mom. I can guarantee that she won’t change.
My son on the other hand distro hops.
The good thing about distro hopping is refining your setup to the point that “burning down the desktop” becomes a relative non-event, your important personal files are elsewhere - nothing of value gets lost if your desktop SSD goes Ollie North: “I’m sorry, sir, I don’t recall…”
It’s fantastically simple to set up, and it’s (well it’s linux!) fantastically powerful out of the box.
Easy peasy, just go. No need to fiddle to get it starting, good looking, and everything is there ready to be used.
Maybe all distros are like that today but they sure wasn’t (even Mint wasn’t before IDK maybe 18 IMO).
It’s rock solid and the desktop is very close to what people coming from Windows would expect. It’s just a very good beginner distro, not necessarily something that more advanced users would choose.
Makes sense. I went from Suse to Mepis, stuck with it for a bit after they transitioned to Ubuntu before just going full Ubuntu, but I was getting frustrated by how long it took for their repos to catch up. I’ve been on Arch for a year or two now and it’s been fantastic.
It just works.
Gonna be a lot of perfectly good hardware going up on ebay soon.
Maan, I already have like 4 spare computers, what am I going to do? What project do I have to cone up with to rationalise buying new used ones?
k8s
That’s interesting. Have anything that comes to mind as easily searchable that might start showing up? I would have to imagine a lot of corporate stuff that is certain they want to keep up on security.
CPU: intel 7th gen or earlier.
I doubt companies will be flooding markets with anything. 7th gen devices came out almost a decade ago (yes it’s almost been that long since 2016) and most companies only keep computers for 3-5 years max.
You didn’t have to point out 2016 was nearly 10 years ago. The oldies don’t need reminded time is flying by!
Originally I planned to switch in October when support for W10 runs out, but it seems my PC made the push for me.
At the start of
JulyJune some issue with windows that caused my system to freeze and then get stuck on boot when restarted finally bricked my system for a 2nd time this year and I was forced to reinstall the OS again. So, instead of wasting another 4 months on dealing with all the crap windows has been throwing my way lately, I just jumped ship to mint.3 weeks in and, so far so good. Really got around to all the personalization it allows over windows. Learning to run a pc mostly through the terminal has been a step out of the comfort zone, but an enjoyable one tbh
At the start of July
Ah, so I see you switched to Linux and made the time travel. Cheers.
June haha. Got the wrong j month. ty for pointing that out
I’m seeing a lot of advocacy for Mint on Lemmy but not as much for Fedora it seems?
I’ve only ever run one Linux distro and that was Fedora KDE Plasma, havent tried Mint yet. Are they not mostly the same or am I missing something?
You’re not. If you’re happy with what you’ve got, don’t worry about it. Or join the great Linux tradition of distro hopping. But Mint gets a lot of praise for noobs, but much like Ubuntu there are much better distros out there. It just has name recognition at this point.
Mint is the best distro for people who need you to tell them the distro.
I use Mint on my Laptop but once Windows is done for I’m switching to:
- Fedora, OpenSUSE, Secureblue, or something with KDE Plasma (security, stability, and ease of use priority)
- Bazzite (for games, and dual-booted into to protect the security of my daily driver)
- OpenBSD or something (so if something like Crowdstrike or Wannacry happens but for Linux, I have an alt)
I’ve never understood the fedora hype. The fact that it is adjacent to Redhat should be enough for people to want to stay away lol.
It’s easier to install/use. It was my first distro before I switched to CachyOS for my latest build.
Apt is a massive and reliable package manager. Im not very surprised. However I am surprised no one is specifying LMDE
I really need to move my PC over to Mint, but change makes me deeply uncomfortable :(
Ironic, the fact that I hate change is the whole reason I ended up using Linux. I felt that Mint was closer to Windows 7 than 8.0 at the time.
You have Arch on your username and you’re not using Arch Linux? You are doing a disservice to your username.
It would appear to be a reference to Magic the Gathering
Just put it on a USB stick. No install, no commitment. Baby steps.
Honestly this is the best suggestion especially if you can mount your windows partition read only. You get the benefits of Linux while still having access to your files.
For most folks, the biggest hurdle is getting compatible apps. Once you find the apps you need, moving over is just a backup and restore away.
Take it slow. Install a VM with Mint. Play around with it. Get familiar. Move your regular usage over to it gradually. Make the jump when you are ready. It’s perfectly OK to have reservations about a big change like that. But you don’t have to do it all in one go.
It’s not using it that’s the problem, I have Mint installed on my work PC and my laptop, and I like it. But for some reason installing it on my main PC, which I use pretty much every day, has me worried for reasons I don’t get myself. It’s like a soft phobia, an irrational fear.
It took me 3 years from when I first started dual booting to when I launched Windows for the last time.
Take your time, move as slowly as you want, and always leave a way back. Eventually you might notice that you’re feeling more comfortable with Linux than Windows, and if you’re lucky, you might not even notice when you’ve stopped using Windows.
It took me over a year too. I was using a mini PC with Mint but still kept my old Windows PC under my desk. When I built a new PC, it never got defiled, though.
Dual boot? Keep like 200GB for windows, and the rest mint. If you need windows for something, boot over. But otherwise, I legit feel more worried when windows has access to my data.
Is it “change” itself that makes you uncomfortable or the fact that change means putting in effort in areas you’ve developed habits to minimize effort?
lil bruh just move to mint already u gon be fine 💔
but osrs mint is widely regarded as best for transitioning to different OS. All the shit you did on win has alts on mint/ubuntu
I’m currently using Win10 IOT LTSC on my main gaming rig, and Mint on my laptop to get used to the environment (started 2 years ago). It’s a great way to both get used to the new ecosystem, and have a fallback cushion if some software or scenario doesn’t work properly.
What changes exactly?
Ease of gaming if you don’t have your entire library of games on Steam tbh. If you do, then it’s a no-brainer. If not, then ehh.
Also sometimes Nvidia cards do not play nice in Linux.
I screwed up so bad. I bought a laptop to trial different Linux distros and also because my old one is 12yo now and has its own problems. However, the manufacturer ONLY provides Windows support drivers, so the keyboard won’t work without a kernel level patch and I am not a kernel-patch level guy yet
Which laptop? We gotta know who to light up the pitch forks for.
Asus
wtf how does a laptop need drivers to use the keyboard? i thought they just used usb/ps2, that is truly fucked
Right? It’s some firmware level issue, but I haven’t looked deeper into it recently because I got frustrated with a couple failed patch attempts. I guess you have to include the laptop model explicitly or it doesn’t know to look for it
What laptop model?
Asus Q533M. I found a user patch on stack but it was for older models. Tried to update it myself and run a rebuild, but I might have missed a step since it errored out
If you’re using an Arch Based distribution and have access to a USB keyboard so you can use standard HID drivers during setup you should be able to follow along on this wiki to use the software included in the ASUS Linux stack. It appears they have some nonsense going on. Tbh I didn’t know about this until looking just now and I’m gonna be going through here and getting the tools I need since I’ve got an ROG mobo I think would benefit
Sweet, thanks! I haven’t settled on a distro yet, but from what I’ve seen this is something Asus does to kneecap as much of the community as they can
Or… just return the laptop?
Then purchase basically anything else
I’m surprised though, I thought Asus wouldn’t be a company to do something like that.
Yeah I was passed the return date and a state away when I caught the issue
I’m trying, I really am. My current issue is that Wi-Fi completely ignores IPV4 if I’m on a network with additional IPV6 support.
IPv6 should be the preferred option. It’s the same on Windows and MacOS.
If you have IPv6 issues, just turn off IPv6 on the adapter you’re using.
I remember trying that to no avail, but I don’t have access to the problematic network right now.
Also, happy cake day!
Oh…huh…I didn’t even know we had cake days on Lemmy. Haha. Thanks.
Don’t let Lemmy mislead you into thinking Linux is a drop-in replacement or easy to switch to. It’s a difficult process that takes learning, but hopefully you’ll find it worthwhile. Good luck with your troubleshooting.
I put Mint Cinnamon on an older laptop just this past weekend and had a lot of fun with it. Are there any migration tips for my main Windows machine? I was thinking of going with Bazzite since it’s my gaming box. What about saved game data and whatnot? I was reading about Putty and SSH ing over to the laptop, but I’m not sure what a good strategy is for my desktop.
Bazzite is a lot less user friendly than mint in major ways. You get everything in mint as you do on Bazzite. I switched to Bazzite and it lasted 2 days before going back to mint. KDE is too deep unnecessarily so. Bazzite doesn’t gain you much at all, at this point in time 3 years ago or so I’d not said the same thing. Mint is so polished for gaming shit usually just works now. It’s not worth the hype, hassle. I’ve distro hopped and always came back to mint.
Source is I been there and done all that and more. Your not missing out on anything. Spin up a live USB and try it but believe me dearly it’s not worth moving all your stuff reinstalling etc etc. Keep the work flow you got and master it. Other options have more maintenance and headaches.
Appreciate the advice; I may just follow it considering how positive an experience Mint has been.
Bazzite is a lot less user friendly than mint in major ways.
Would you be so kind to substantiate the above claim beyond what’s found below?
KDE is too deep unnecessarily so.
KDE is too deep on options and is heavier to run on PC resources not a lot but I’m a lean builder, especially for gaming rigs.
KDE bazzite app names are not easy to understand like mint at all. Workflow is different, menus, options. The reason mint is so highly spoken of and recommended is because it’s truly refined and polished for the GUI user. App names are sane/understandable, system functions are low maintenance and hands off once basic setup is done. Drivers are all automatically handled for the most part.
The only thing I noticed with bazzite that could be considered superior is immutability. That’s it. Everything else seemed somewhat a step backwards and you can gain all the codecs and drivers in mint mostly again automatically as you plug in your hardware the system will reconfigure itself. With proper backups, as you should always have, mint provides nearly the same guarantees. Keep extension, applets, desklets low count and don’t modify the system to an inane amount it’ll remain dead stable either in LMDE6 or Ubuntu main version.
I have distro hopped many times for various reasons, hassle and headaches days weeks in terminal borking shit. Bazzite, Fedora, NIXos, Mint, Qubes, LMDE6, and several others. I’m not saying don’t test the waters on other distros but believe me and everyone. FOMO IS REAL. The grass is not always greener on the other side. Especially with transition changes and relearning. Keep it simple. Enjoy your PC.
(Use a live USB don’t reinstall your entire system multiple times you’ll get fed up and hate Linux, put your home folder on its own partition on your drive then aim any OS at it you end up choosing this is smarter for many reasons than hopping distros)
Mint is so highly recommended because it’s one of and arguably the best/first distro to offer a plug and play, damn near seamless experience on Linux for the average person looking to ditch Windows and doing about anything. Most distros on Linux are somewhat the same loosely anyhow. You can tweak and harden mint nearly the same as any other distro.
Hope this helps. I game on Mint and daily drive it personally for the last 2 years atleast. Aside from some Indie games 1 or 2 of them. It’s been nearly seamless. About the only times I broke my system was well when I was doing stuff I thought I could improve. Keep it simple stupid. Best of luck.
Step one: back up your data.
Step two: back up your data again.
This person backs up.
Step three: test your backups
Step four: back up your data again
This but what they forgot is on multiple drives. Power failures, drive failures, lost, stolen, dropped, you name it. A good set of backups is fucking worth everything peace of mind and more. Automate your backup process and never look back!!!
Can’t help with saved game data, but Bazzite is a solid choice, not just because it’s a gaming based distro. It’s one of the immutable distros, so all the important stuff that keeps it running, you can’t mess with (easily). And all your personal stuff that doesn’t keep the computer running, it doesn’t touch. So your computer is always up to date ( faster than steamOS, and if something goes wrong, just reboot into the previous) and you can’t screw it up without trying.
i’d recommend getting a new SSD and installing Linux on that, then you can read your windows drive from Linux and copy over the files you need
Game files can be copied over the same way (obvs to different directories)
If you only have one M.2 slot then M.2 to USB adapters are stupid cheap and infinitely useful as a fast AF flash drive.
If your drive is sata then those are also cheap and the same applies, just not quite as fast.
I actually just moved my gaming PC from Win11 to Mint Cinnamon 2 weeks ago. There was some driver fuckery (I have an Nvidia card) that made things a bit wonky but everything worked out after some adjustments.
Do you mostly game through steam? Do you install your games on a separate drive?
Steam makes the transition the easiest. All of my games “just worked” with Steam. There were a few modifications required to ensure stability with the games settings but it was mostly smooth sailing for me.
I just used thumb drives to pull all my games save files to and an external drive to back up all my installed games so I wouldn’t have to re download them. Save game files are usually pretty small so all of the ones I had backed up on a single thumb drive and Steam and Linux creates a faux Windows folder system for each game and you just reinsert the save games in those folder structures at the correct spot.
Thanks all for the helpful replies! I do have a second ssd, I can probably dump everything there before I format my m2 ssd. I do primarily game thru steam, I’ve got icue software that isn’t compatible but I believe I can use openrgb. Nvidia card also, is it just driver related?
