If only she had a gun she could have protected herself!
Could have easily used the gun to shoot down the bullet.
“Stray Bullet” makes it sound like the bullet got off leash. This was a reckless and irresponsible use of firearms and we should start calling it that.
Irresponsible use of firearms in an irresponsible gun culture. Toxic combo.
Sounds like you’re conflating gangbangers who post tiktok videos of themselves blasting the air with the 1/3-1/2 of normal humans in American households who own guns.
The real problem here seems to have been the court confusing a gangbanger for a human who can integrate into society.
Yeah, fuck that NRA apologist bullshit
small price to pay for freedom
Then do us a favour and pay up.
Death is the price you pay to buy freedoms, it’s not a fucking subscription service.
As a matter of fact, it is a subscription, and it’s exactly how the right to privacy, right to not self-incriminate, due process in general, and “beyond a reasonable doubt” work: on the principle that it’s better that some evil people will get off and reoffend than it is for innocent people to be incarcerated for failing to prove their innocence. Not how it always works when prosecutors and judges have a different personal philosophy, but that’s the idea and the trade-off taken.
No, it’s not. Suffering death is the cost of not having the rights to live. Death is the cost of winning those rights. You believe it’s a subscription service because you haven’t won those rights yet and you’re still paying the cost of not having the right to live.
I’m not sure you fully understand the words you’re saying, “right to live” would necessarily demand compelling people to act in the furtherance of everyone else’s lives. You could be held criminally liable for eating too much for example, because you’re taking away resources needed to keep others alive, and your unhealthy lifestyle taxing the health system actively hurts those who need it more.
You’re looking for a different kind of government altogether.
Agreed completely
They’re even admitting they won’t take the responsibility to attempt tracking it down!
Shhh, in the US they are very strongly against making sure gun owners are properly tested for how to operate guns and psychological state they are in. Rumors say it could lead to less shooting incidents but it obviously can’t be true because. … eh… amendment yes amendment !
The cost of freedom i guess
Being found incompetent generally removes your right to have a gun. Why did he have a gun? Why wasn’t it taken away?
If the laws we have aren’t enforced, then passing more laws isn’t going to help.
Most guns used in crimes are stolen, bought on the street, taken from a relative, etc.
So it’s probably pretty easy to get a gun in the circles this guy moved in.
That’s usually the case. Which means passing yet more laws without enforcement is not going to have an effect on a group that overall ignores the law.
TL;DR - gun owners are creating the very problem they claim to need firearms to defend themselves against, but resist any possible regulation between themselves and their toys and are quite happy to let society pay for their unfettered right.
I’ve had guns my entire life. The only laws that will make any sense are requirements to secure firearms and making gun owners responsible for crimes committed with said firearms should they not be secured. A somewhat distant third would be capacity limits on magazines…seriously, I’ve had shit tons of fun shooting with 3 round mags or 5 round stripper clips. Nobody needs 15, 25+ round mags. At that point it’s a toy the owner is accessorizing. I’ve done more than one deep dive into the statistics regarding firearm use in crimes, and as I previously mentioned, the vast majority of firearms used are taken/stolen. Grabbed from a relative’s closet. People leave guns under car seats, glove boxes, truck door pockets, countertops, closets, wherever they either left them out of laziness or some fear they make up to justify them accessible in an instant. Theft is a fact of life. There’s never been a civilization without it. Homes and cars will be broken in to and guns stolen. Those guns directly used or sold on the street to be used in crimes. Now the gun owner washes their hands of the gun on the street and goes and buys more to defend against the criminals that stole their stuff. Rinse and repeat.
If people can afford hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of firearms, they can afford a safe. They can afford to not be dumbasses and not leave unsecured firearms where little Johnny can find it and shoot himself, where Tyler doesn’t have the safe code to grab a couple handguns and shoot up his school, where some dude doesn’t steal the guns out of the pickup and then go shoot a store clerk for $ or the other drug dealer on his turf. Failure to secure said firearm gets a nasty charge, like accessory to deadly assault or something. I’m tired of gun owners’ who think gun control stops as soon a a they leave the range and that leave the rest of society to pay the deadly price for their toys.
Lots of Canada’s laws are a little extreme to me, but they cover a lot that you said. Restricted firearms need an extra permit that requires personal references, and must be double locked(like a locked case in a locked safe, or trigger lock plus locked case) during storage and transportation, and we limit magazine sizes. Lots of our gun crime involves firearms purchased legally in the US that make their way here on the black market, so I’m in favour of the US tightening up their gun control.
“Freedom”
How in the FUCK does that guy get access to guns? Is there literally no check and balances for buying a gun in the states? WTF
What a challenging character: He had a brain injury in infancy, functions at a kindergarten level, and can’t be tried due to incompetence, but he apparently drives and repeatedly pulls straps.
Just commenting on checks and balances, there generally aren’t any. It’s a constitutional right to have guns in the USA, so most laws that would enforce any kind of restrictions on ownership or access to firearms, are usually deemed unconstitutional and thrown out.
There are entire groups actively working to ensure everyone has fair and unrestricted access to guns, most notably the NRA. Those groups are unapologetic about what they do and they’ve been very successful in maintaining the status quo for gun access.
IMO as long as the right to bear arms stays enshrined in the US Constitution, this will not change.
I’m not an American and I’m very thankful for that because of things like this, however, my life is very affected by what happens there. As a result, I’m pretty well versed on their country. At times, I know the US laws better than my own countries laws.
Unfortunately it has recently changed …. For the worst.
Previously there were restrictions on carrying and ownership in many states. Those laws were deemed legal because they weren’t bans but limited restrictions . It was enough to make a difference and most such states gad had noticeably lower firearm violence. So we even proved within the US that such laws worked.
Then the Trump Supreme Court struck down most of them
no there are not. we have more guns than people, and americans literally have guns just lying around their houses. because we allow it. because 'merica.
so yeah, when we cut all our public mental healthcare in the 80s, and put all those crazy people back on the streets, yes they have access to weapons.
How sad. What a waste.
I go to the same college as she did, I didn’t know her as I’m two years above her. There is currently a makeshift memorial set up in memory of her where they held the vigil the day after she was shot. What was really surreal was driving around close to where she was shot was just seeing people walking around like nothing had happened, just continuing on with their lives. I felt this same way the day of the Covenant shooting, which was less than a year ago now. I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol (pls note I do not plan on this or that this is a call to action). I wish we didn’t have to deal with this but the gun culture has become to ingrained that I wonder how many innocent lives we’ll go through before it ends.
Like this ?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_baseball_shooting
Still no change.
I honestly think that the only way this senseless gun violence will end is if someone shoots up the capitol
Believe it or not, DC actually does have pretty strict gun regulations. Still, it’s not impossible to get guns into the city, but it’s better than nothing.
See, guns don’t kill people, bullets do!
Chris Rock had a great bit on this a long time ago. Bullet Control
One could argue “Shaquille Taylor” does as he arguably played a key role by pulling the trigger.
If it wasn’t for that pesky gravity meddling, this wouldn’t have happened!
Stray bullet also makes it sound like it was “aimed” and mjssed the target a little bit
Thoughts and effin’ prayers man… 🤬
Well this is america, you have to expect stray bullets.
They really need to do something about this. Bulletproof vests should be mandatory in public places.
Everyone together!
Pretty 👏 much 👏 no 👏 one 👏 needs 👏 a 👏 gun 👏 in 👏 first 👏 world 👏 countries!
They 👏 should 👏 be 👏 made 👏 illegal 👏 for 👏 most!
(Unsurprisingly I see a bunch of blank comments from users I blocked in the past, can’t wait to add more to the list!)
Edit: If you downvote me could you please comment just so I can make sure I block all the people who don’t believe in reality?
Edit 2: Oh man that’s funny, there’s someone following my history and automatically downvoting every comment I make 😂
Where I live lots of less fortunate people rely on hunting for a source of meat through the winter, I think “illegal for most” is a stretch. Tighter controls, red flag laws and extensive background checks, absolutely. Flat out illegal to own? That’s absolutely a deprivation of liberty for lots of people.
If that’s enough reason to block me that’s unfortunate.
Put all the money going towards gun related issues into social programs and these less fortunate people won’t need guns either. I mentioned it in another discussion but if my uncle lived in a northern community of 200 where they sometimes had bears on their porch in the morning and didn’t own a gun then you need a pretty fucking great justification to need one.
Heck, they could even have rental programs for the people you’re talking about, but they would never agree to that, as if meat wasn’t the reason they want a gun… As if being able to shoot people if they feel threatened is the real reason and it just so happens that they’re able to hunt since they own a firearm anyway 🤷
“There is no way to prevent this” says only country where this happens regularly.
450+ million guns, you’re not stopping gang violence like this which is the mass majority of all of our gun crime, by banning guns from lawful citizens. Dudes like this are already barred. Why don’t you ask, why out system let him out.
Says man from only country where this happens regularly.
Plenty of other countries haven’t banned guns from lawful citizens and dont have this problem.
Ok, man from perfect country. How would you personally solve this problem of gun violence? Would you form a posse and roundup all of the crazed lunatics out there who would dare to try and protect their families with a firearm? Would you raid the houses of anyone who may or may not have owned a gun in the past and search under the floorboards?
Seriously I want to know. How would you help all of these mentally ill people who seem to think that guns are toys, or just deeply want to harm other people?
You don’t need me to tell you that. You wouldn’t believe me anyway. There are plenty of professionals who have studied and acquired factual data of how other “perfect countries” do it and the differences. From the differences the solutions become very clear.
It’s about restricting access, not banning. There’s no one size fits all solution because nothing is perfect so you pick your poison. Find a country where this doesn’t happen every day (so any developed country), look a the way they do things and pick the one you prefer to support - they all have upsides and downsides. What you have isn’t working though.
Every country that has basically an effective ban, also has safety nets for the people, doesn’t have a gang problem like we do, and focuses on education and not locking everyone up. They also never had 450+ million firearms in civilian hands. So please share with the class how you think you could pull it off without having all those safety nets in place.
How about having all those safety nets in place and regulated guns? Just an idea…
I’m fine with adding in the safety nets, they’ll do 100xs more than any regulation you put in place will do. I’m not ok giving over a monopoly on force to people like the current Republicans. Why any of you think that’s a good idea is just insane.
From the article:
“Taylor had been criminally charged multiple times in the past, including in 2021 when he was charged with three counts of assault with a deadly weapon.”
Yeah, that’s definitely someone who needed to be out on the streets and still armed. 👌 what the fuck
That’s what happens when people can do private sales without any checks 👍 FREEDOM MOTHERFUCKER!
Freedom to kill innocent people, freedom to die randomly by flying bullets.
Yall care when it’s a pretty blonde white woman but this happens every hour in Nashville
Truth. It can stop if we get rid of the gangsters in the ghettos with their illegal guns. We don’t need more cops, just higher rent and taxes to price you out of your dwellings and force you to leave since you refuse to get an education and find jobs.
Man it’s like you just hate people and thinking.
If you deprive people from a legal means of housing and feeding themselves, they will house and feed themselves in less legal ways.
Or some of you will realize that you need to get an education and a job and help the others learn. The ones that don’t learn should be sent to a remote part of Alaska and provided survival manuals that they need to figure out how to use to build a civil society. Their will be sentries ala Escape from LA/NY and these criminals can either choose to live in peace or chaos. Drones will televise for entertainment.
Oh yeah it’s so easy to get an education right? That’s like free right? Be quiet with your psycho rambling, go to Alaska yourself.
Ever hear of public primary and high school. It’s free. You just need to make the kids show up so that they don’t end up being criminals.
Yeah sure every school is equally well funded enough to stop kids from doing crimes. Crimes never occurr at schools.
Oh ok… I guess it’s on then…
