Russia has received new deadly ballistic missiles from Iran for use in Ukraine and is likely to use them, the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken, announced on Tuesday in London as he prepared to travel with the UK foreign secretary, David Lammy, to Kyiv.

The news, confirmed by the US for the first time and seen as of huge significance to the battlefield balance ahead of Ukraine’s difficult winter, led the US and Europe to impose new sanctions on Iran, so apparently slamming the door on the prospect of a rapprochement between the new reformist Iranian government and the west.

The move may also add to the pressure on the US to end its restrictions on Ukraine using British-supplied Storm Shadow missiles to strike targets deep inside Russia and not just in occupied parts of Ukraine.

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  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    When the US backs Israel no matter what. The countries Israel keeps starting shit with don’t have many other options besides Russia or China

    If America stayed out of it, Israel wouldn’t be as aggressive, and their neighbors wouldn’t have to run to Russia and China.

    Like…

    Has no one explained to you that one of the big factors the West had in creating Israel was to create a volatile area for proxy wars instead of another war in Europe?

    If you don’t know that, hardly anything else is going to make sense …

    • with don’t have many other options besides Russia or China

      *cough cough* North Korea *cough cough*

      Has no one explained to you that one of the big factors the West had in creating Israel was to create a volatile area for proxy wars instead of another war in Europe?

      Citation needed.

      It seems to somewhat contract the info in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Aliyah - namely that Jewish immigration to what was then Ottoman Palestine started half a century before WWII, and that it was based on a desire for these folks to return to their ancient religious homelands…

      Anyways, if that was indeed the desire, it can’t really have been said to be a smashing success, considering the long list presented here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Europe#21st_century (and also look above to say the 1950s - it’s quite a long list of conflicts in Europe post WWII)

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      Like… Those panarab trash countries attacked Israel and lost back in 1947. Let them try again sore losers. Like… We stayed out of it since the 1990s we’ve simply sent aid and medical supplies to gaza. And they wanna invade Israel again on October 7th.

      The West did not create Israel as it is that was mostly all Russia from actions in the 80s, Russian immigrants started the first major settlement where thousands from Yemen and eastern Europe immigrated to in 1882.

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        Like… Those panarab trash countries attacked Israel and lost back in 1947

        When Israel was founded…

        The weat didn’t magically create that land, it existed and people had lived there for thousands of years …

        The UN said it was now Israel and everyone who wasn’t Jewish had to leave…

        And you want to start the clock immediately after that?!

        How does that make any sense?

        The West did not create Israel

        They did…

        In 1947 the UN voted to partition the region into separate Jewish and Arab states.

        https://www.britannica.com/summary/Israel

        as it is that was mostly all Russia from actions in the 80s, Russian immigrants started the first major settlement where thousands from Yemen and eastern Europe immigrated to in 1882.

        Everyone that moved there prior to the creation of Israel was moving to Palestine…

        Did any of that help you understand?

        • They did…

          In 1947 the UN voted to partition the region into separate Jewish and Arab states.

          The UN includes Russia, China, lots of African countries, …

          We could say that the UN helped to create Israel and call it a day. We could even say it was Western-led, with the UK having the Mandate and all prior to the UN taking it up. But to say that the West made it implies that the other countries who were members of the UN at the time had no involvement or responsibility here, which isn’t accurate.

          Everyone that moved there prior to the creation of Israel was moving to Palestine…

          Well, to the British Mandate of Palestine. Semantics, agreed.

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          That’s not true. No one was moving to “Palestine”. It was a somewhat dead area. As well there was never a country called Palestine. You don’t see it on any maps. From all the development in Israel brought a lot of Arab immigrants to Palestine area as well. There could have been a Palestine but they declined that partition plan and chose to lose a war. They continue to lose wars.

          • That’s not true. No one was moving to “Palestine”. It was a somewhat dead area.

            Perhaps it was but there was some movement. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Aliyah - but I think you alluded to this earlier when you mentioned what Russia and such did back in 1882.

            As well there was never a country called Palestine. You don’t see it on any maps.

            From what I can tell, this is correct. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Ottoman_period

            the Palestine region within it was divided into the five sanjaks (provincial districts, also called liwa′ in Arabic) of Safad, Nablus, Jerusalem, Lajjun and Gaza.
            In common usage from 1840 onward, “Palestine” was used either to describe … a region that extended in the north–south direction typically from Rafah (south-east of Gaza) to the Litani River (now in Lebanon). The western boundary was the sea, and the eastern boundary was the poorly defined place where the Syrian desert began.

            Countries - or even provinces - usually have well defined borders, so up to Ottoman control it wasn’t a single entity but a poorly defined grouping.

            I guess one could make the case for it after the British Mandate of Palestine, but of course it still wasn’t an independent country when the British were running things.

            From all the development in Israel brought a lot of Arab immigrants to Palestine area as well.

            I don’t know too much about this but it sounds plausible.

            There could have been a Palestine but they declined that partition plan and chose to lose a war. They continue to lose wars.

            Well, Oct 7 really was a major setback. I would admit that Netanyahu seems like the last person to allow for Palestine or a two state solution, like, ever. But he was about to be handed a major setback in gov’t control back in Sept and Oct 2023 which one could kinda see as maybe paving the way for a new gov’t to take control, one more likely to offer a new olive branch to the Palestinians - until Oct 7 happened and everyone agreed to coalition and stand behind Netanyahu.