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  • Kamala and the party holding him accountable for this shit and pushing for him to get out now if he’s really demented enough to still believe Israel, would really help nonvoters see the difference.

    It’s a tough balancing act since being too hard on Israel could lose an otherwise reliable voting block (American Jews). On the flip side, Palestine origin US citizens, Turkish origin US citizens, and others are likely to be lost if this issue isn’t pressed hard enough

    Show people who aren’t planning on voting that at least one option holds themselves accountable.

    From the WP article itself, a small beacon …

    “The U.S. government has had full access to Israel’s preliminary investigation, and expects continued access as the investigation continues, so that we can have confidence in the result,” Biden said Wednesday.

    The most optimistic interpretation is that, behind the scenes they’re pushing Israel hard about this, even if they’re trying to play it cool in public.




  • They did…

    In 1947 the UN voted to partition the region into separate Jewish and Arab states.

    The UN includes Russia, China, lots of African countries, …

    We could say that the UN helped to create Israel and call it a day. We could even say it was Western-led, with the UK having the Mandate and all prior to the UN taking it up. But to say that the West made it implies that the other countries who were members of the UN at the time had no involvement or responsibility here, which isn’t accurate.

    Everyone that moved there prior to the creation of Israel was moving to Palestine…

    Well, to the British Mandate of Palestine. Semantics, agreed.


  • That’s not true. No one was moving to “Palestine”. It was a somewhat dead area.

    Perhaps it was but there was some movement. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Aliyah - but I think you alluded to this earlier when you mentioned what Russia and such did back in 1882.

    As well there was never a country called Palestine. You don’t see it on any maps.

    From what I can tell, this is correct. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine#Ottoman_period

    the Palestine region within it was divided into the five sanjaks (provincial districts, also called liwa′ in Arabic) of Safad, Nablus, Jerusalem, Lajjun and Gaza.
    In common usage from 1840 onward, “Palestine” was used either to describe … a region that extended in the north–south direction typically from Rafah (south-east of Gaza) to the Litani River (now in Lebanon). The western boundary was the sea, and the eastern boundary was the poorly defined place where the Syrian desert began.

    Countries - or even provinces - usually have well defined borders, so up to Ottoman control it wasn’t a single entity but a poorly defined grouping.

    I guess one could make the case for it after the British Mandate of Palestine, but of course it still wasn’t an independent country when the British were running things.

    From all the development in Israel brought a lot of Arab immigrants to Palestine area as well.

    I don’t know too much about this but it sounds plausible.

    There could have been a Palestine but they declined that partition plan and chose to lose a war. They continue to lose wars.

    Well, Oct 7 really was a major setback. I would admit that Netanyahu seems like the last person to allow for Palestine or a two state solution, like, ever. But he was about to be handed a major setback in gov’t control back in Sept and Oct 2023 which one could kinda see as maybe paving the way for a new gov’t to take control, one more likely to offer a new olive branch to the Palestinians - until Oct 7 happened and everyone agreed to coalition and stand behind Netanyahu.




  • And on top of that, you think that’s ethical?

    I’d say that the ethical part comes in more on the side of “hey at least they got a govt of their own now, and are running their own country instead of being forced into part of someone else’s” as we see (for example) in the upper two countries of North America.

    You think it’s reasonable to expect a population of people who have been oppressed, displaced, and murdered by foreign colonizers for decades to happily be neighbors with them all of a sudden?

    No. I’d consider giving these folks land and territory that they can form into their own country as a required first step in a very long process.

    I’m curious though - if not a two state solution, then what is your preferred or recommended solution to resolve things here?








  • Alas it sounds like the company is even dumber than that. From their quote,

    But in a statement emailed to The Associated Press, Clearview’s chief legal officer, Jack Mulcaire, said that the decision is “unlawful, devoid of due process and is unenforceable.”

    I am guessing the reason they didn’t appeal is because they refuse to recognize the jurisdiction of the Dutch courts altogether.

    However, this is wrong, and I’m pretty sure it will come back to bite them. Under the GDPR,

    EU data protection authorities may fine companies that continue to do business with US organizations that violate GDPR

    and also

    EU and US companies may pursue US companies for breach of contract, if GDPR compliance is written into the underlying agreement. These contractual claims may be adjudicated in US courts, depending on the contract, even if they relate to EU compliance.

    So in short US companies that do business in the EU and also do business with Clearview may get sued and have to pay up on Clearview’s behalf. Expect Clearview to run out customers shortly after the first set of suits get litigated successfully against Clearview’s customers…

    (Edit: source from https://www.metaverselaw.com/how-will-gdpr-be-enforced-in-the-us/ )