• JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz
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    Personally, I’m okay with Denuvo and other similar DRM when it’s used for the intended purpose - to prevent launch day hype piracy. The first few weeks/months are crucial for sales, and I can understand why developers do it.

    But after that, especially after the game is cracked, remove the fucking DRM, it did what it could and is now useless, and only makes the experience of legitimate customers worse.

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      Only Denuvo has reported that it’s better for sales, the rest of us don’t have data on that and I’m not trusting the wolf with Hen House design

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        Denuvo is an interesting one, as it’s both very hated, but also rather effective - in the last four years, only around 25 Denuvo games out of a hundred have been cracked. So with that, pirates can’t even rely on waiting as something you want to play might get cracked next week, or it might take years or simply never get cracked - poor Tourist Bus Simulator, nobody loves you.
        So it turns in to a fairly simple math problem, though one with both variables being unknown (to me at least) - how many people who would buy the game don’t because it has Denuvo, vs how many people that would pirate the game buy it instead when they can’t.

        The only people who surely benefit from this mess are let’s players and streamers :P

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    Is this a business entity wearing the skin of a human, or a clown wearing the skin of a business?

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    Because as we all know, being a gamer means you can’t also be a fucking moron.

    … Wait.

    One experience with other people on Xbox Live voice chat can disprove that.

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      “Denuvo manager also stated that he slept with all the moms of their product’s detractors, and that they were ‘ezee’”

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      I bet he plays like it’s Call Of Duty in multiplayer games which require team cooperation.

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    The cracks, they don’t remove our protection. The cracks still have all our code in and all our code is executed. There is even more code on top of the cracked code - that is executing on top of our code, and causing even more stuff to be executed. So there is technically no way that the cracked version is faster than the uncracked version. That’s simply a technical fact.

    Going by that logic, there’s simply no way that Denuvo does not hinder performance.

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      Sounds like a CEO who doesn’t have a damn clue how code works. His description sounds like he thinks every line of code takes the same amount of time to execute, as if x = 1; takes as long as calling an encryption/decryption function.

      “Adding” code to bypass your encryption is obviously going to make things run way faster.

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      That’s also a lie. There is no way it would be impossible to remove the protection code (or parts of it) or make it not execute. That alone makes him a clown.

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        Not to mention that some of the cracks are incredibly lightweight in the first place so even disabling a small amount of their code would improve things. Removing the encryption mechanisms alone works wonders.

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      If it were just bad PR, publishers wouldn’t be removing it from their games left and right. It’s a flawed security system.

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      Same for me. Denvo killed me enjoyment of monster hunter world. Locked me out of the game when I tried playing it after a long break from the game. Being told I have to wait 24 hours before attempting to play a game I paid for was a quick way to get me to not want to buy any denuvo game.

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        It’s really a shame, because I was super excited for MH:Wilds, but the confirmation that it will include Denuvo killed my enthusiasm completely.

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          At least Capcom eventually removes denuvo from their games. I’ll probably wait until that happens to play Wilds.

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            Yeah, and at that point I’ll also just wait for a 50% off sale, whereas I would otherwise have been a day 1 purchase.

            I feel like this happens a lot, honestly - there’ll be a game I’m really excited for, and either it’s got some shitty DRM, or it’s a timed Epic exclusive, or whatever else, and then a few months later when I could be playing it, I’ve mentally moved on to other things and I end up just buying it much later on deep sale if at all.

            There’s a lot of games coming out all the time; if I get past that initial hype period around launch without buying a thing, it’s 50% or more off, or I won’t buy it at all.

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        That’s ridiculous, I really hope developers avoid it as the plague more and more.

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    God, hard to read more than half of it, this guy’s a total idiot. He really thinks he sells a solution, fucking wake up off that dream. It was nice, you enjoyed it, now wake up, go do something else, or just take the money and retire, idk, idc.

    Fuck DRM, what a shitty way of screwing up content.

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      What makes you think he’s an idiot as opposed to lying through his teeth?

      - ‘It’s difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it’

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    RPS: The study you mention showed that having Denuvo software improves revenues at launch, but also showed that a certain point after release - I think it was around three months - it evens out. Do you think publishers should have a policy of eventually removing Denuvo and making that clear to players in their marketing?

    Andreas Ullmann: That’s the only point of the study where I’m not totally agreeing.

    Well, who would have thunk!