The home secretary is seeking "urgent advice" about banning American XL Bully dogs as footage shows one of the animals attacking an 11-year-old girl and a man in Birmingham. Suella Braverman has said the animals are a "clear and lethal" danger after the video of the attack in Bordesley Green emerged on the social media platform TikTok. West Midlands Police are investigating after two men, who were bitten and left with injuries to their shoulders and arms, were taken to hospital to be treated for their injuries after the incident on Saturday.
People should learn about the history of media fearmongering around specific breeds, which is largely based in racism and a product of the drug war. Most studies around this topic simply gather stats from newspaper articles, which is problematic because the media consistently misidentifies dog breeds, overreports on certain breed attacks, and under reports on others. It’s one of the reasons why the Humane society and the CDC opposes any breed specific legislation and why more than 20 states have outlawed it.
Also, everyone on Reddit and here getting so worked up about certain dog breeds and dog bites is the most Karen-ass shit ever. You’re far more likely to be killed by a mosquito than a dog. Even other humans rank higher on that list. So, maybe recalibrate your outrage.
People getting mauled to death by a certain dog breed isn’t “karen-ass shit”.
Well I’ve only had one breed crawl through a picnic table and jump on me to get at my dog. Yes the owners where shit for letting the dog roam a campground. But I have never seen a dog so determined to get at another dog before and completely silent no growling barking just going in.
It’s literally a terrier breed. It’s what they’re bred to do. They’re all varying degrees of cracked out regularly and people though breeding one jacked breed of them was a) a good idea and b) okay for your average dog owner.
Kengals, malinois, hell even gsds; so many other breeds are equally as lethal and do just as much damage but they’re harder to obtain for the most part. The issue is that bullies (or bully breeds) are easy to get and people are either ill equipped to deal with the breed or are ignorant/neglectful dog owners.
They also just don’t randomly attack as much.
I had half my face ripped off by a dog when I was a kid. I take dog breeds and their danger potential seriously. Some animals shouldn’t be bred anymore. Pits are one of those animals.
My SIL got a rescue pitbull, worked with it every day and it was very well behaved. One day they came home and there was blood all over the house. It had attacked their other dog and luckily only grabed the collar which was ripped off and the tags all bent up. Dog was unrescued.
Few years later, I went to a dog park with my poodle. He sniffed a pitbulls butt and the dog whipped around and latched onto my dogs neck completely unprovoked and without warning. It took minutes and two adult men to get the pitbull off. Got lucky again and the pitbull only grabbed my dogs scruff but he still has scars years later. If it grabed just a little bit up my dog would have died.
Just a few weeks ago, me and my wife were walking down the street with our two dogs and 2.5 year old. Some dumb kids are chasing their 3 pitbulls through the streets as they got out. The loose pitbulls see our dogs from a block away and sprint at them. One runs up to my dog attempting to pick a fight immediately. I have had enough at this point and physically remove these dogs over and over until I can get the kids to control their dogs (which the never really do).
A bird dog naturally points birds. A bloodhound naturally follows scents. A cattle dog naturally corals animals (and toddlers). Is it so unbelievable that a dog fighting dog naturally fights dogs?
I go to the dog park all the time… dogs can be aggressive, but I haven’t seen it tied to breed. At my park, personally, I’ve seen aggression from Huskies, Poodles, German Shepherds, and plenty of others. I’ve also seen the most beefy muscular pit bulls that are lazy and chill and just want to lay around. The point is you can’t just look at the breed and assume the dogs demeanor. There is more to it than that. That is why breed specific bans are harmful.
Everyone I know that has been severely bitten by a dog it was a pitbull owned by a white person. Fuck off this this racism dogwhistle shit. Pits are an unpredictable and dangerous breed.
Do you have a source on this? I’ve not seen any US cases of a person dying from a mosquito bite.
I see West Nile encephalitis all the time in my hospital. Not terribly unusual to get diseases from mosquitos.
That’s not to say pit bull breeds are dangerous or not, but we often misidentify the greatest risks in this world.
But we have a choice to allow pitbulls as pets. We don’t have much of a choice about the existence of mosquitos.
We actually do, we can make the mosquitos that bite people extinct
Which would have far reaching consequences on other insectivores. Also, it’s not a foolproof solution we’ve created, the infertile male mosquitos will reduce the wild populations numbers, but likely not make them extinct.
Once the population dips too low it can’t come back easily, for several reasons.
But there are a lot of mosquitos, and the infertile males won’t fully displace the healthy male population, so it’s unlikely the population will ever dip too low to drive them to extinction.
Wait, does that mean no more mosquitos or can you simply have non-biting mosquitos? Because if the latter then what the fuck are we waiting for?
You missed the point. You’re basing your assumption on the idea that pit bulls are somehow inherently bad dogs kind of like society treats people of a certain color as if they are inherently criminals.
The CDC and Humane society are saying that’s an incorrect and poorly supported approach. That’s why they don’t support breed specific bans.
That’s not to say dog attacks don’t happen. Dogs of any breed can be aggressive. It depends on a lot of factors.
Here is an example of poodles being aggressive: https://nypost.com/2022/11/14/pack-of-10-poodles-attacks-california-beachgoer-and-her-elderly-corgi-service-dog/
And yet Pitbulls and pit mixes account for 85% of fatal dog attacks. Poodles account for 0%.
And studies have shown bad and neglectful owners only account for about 20% of dog attacks, so yeah, pitbulls suck as a breed.
You aren’t citing any studies. Even if you did cite a study, you won’t find one that isn’t based on news reports, and guess what? News reports are problematic because the media likes clickbait and fearmongers in order to get clicks and views, even as far back as the 1970s and 1980s. There is a documented history of the media misidentifying dog breeds, overreporting certain breed attacks, and underreporting others. That means the entire basis of your argument is not based on reality or truth because there is no reliable source. Your views are informed by media narrative that originated in the 1970s and 1980s and that has reinforced itself through folks like you repeating platitudes and anecdotes. It’s the same type of thinking that enforces racism and racist views. Actually, don’t you find it interesting that the same dogs preferred by people of color were painted as vicious beasts by the media? It’s almost like that was intentional.
Myself, I’d rather listen to experts like those at the CDC or the Humane Society, which dismiss this type of thinking.
I don’t feel like digging up the study I read a little while back, it was reviewed paper based on hospitalization data for dog bites, and I honestly don’t give a shit if you believe me because nothing will change your mind about that shit breed.
And pits contaminate every breed they touch, pit mutts are violent unpredictable shits too, and are the result of most of the non-pit attacks out there.
And fuck off with the racist claims, everyone I know who owns a pit is white as fuck.
You have to look at risk, cost, and benefits on all these policy decisions. At some point your efforts are better spent elsewhere.
How much does it cost to stop breeding pitbulls?
Not going to happen without national policies in place.
yes, but do they die from it? i’ve seen more stories of people dying from pit bulls
https://www.cdc.gov/westnile/index.html
It’s amazing to me that you’re not 30 points negative already. Maybe this place really is different than Reddit.
I’m actually disappointed their comment is still positive
Well you’re a twat
Don’t worry I downvoted them
Why? Do you breed them? Are you profiting off this crap?