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The problem is that most phones don’t support ROM’s like Graphene or Linage, as people installing custom roms is a relic of years past. Next time you get a phone, think about if you want this option for yourself. Also, do keep in mind that some phones have HW backdoors on them, so even installing a stock rom/graphene does not save you from privacy.
HW backdoors
Tell me more!
And lil papa google now forces GPlay Integrity so custom Roms are fucked
Nah you can easily bypass play integrity on a rooted phone, see my comment above.
I’m using Grapheneos and rooting the room will make it less secure 🤷♂️ and I don’t see why root my phone
I’m gonna look into getting Huawei os
Why Hauwei OS?
It’s android but without google . Given how much google fucks with me, I’m willing to say fuck u to google
Google fucks with everyone, now more than ever with this “recommended” (forced) play integrity. Look at the recent ban from Uber, Authy (thank god I switched a few days ago) and some other apps
I was curious why Hauwei and not LineageOS, GrapheneOS, Calyx, etc
tbh recently I just don’t have time to futs with roms.
Ive used lineage for many years. And would love to use it permanently but banking apps is a problem for me and having to hack things too much is a problem for me.
Obviously some linux mobile distro would have been ideal. but There isn’t anything usable.calyx/graphene - the model selection is just too limited. And I would never buy a google or apple device.
lineage os doesn’t support oneplus 12R I use now (well there is unofficial rom).so I would like to try huawei, the hope is - it’s like android but naturally without google because its designed like that.
Well its known that SoC’s have backdoors on them. Usually it calls home to China, so you can guess what that’s for.
So phone like Xiaomi? Sorry, I’m kinda dumb in this
Xiaomi is the biggest offender, but all of them do it.
Fair. Didn’t know that
why do you think richard stallman doesn’t use a smartphone?
Honestly I don’t really give a shit if China invades my privacy I have nothing they’d care about anyway. I just don’t want American corporations doing it to try to sell me more shit.
I do. fuck china.
Fuck em sure. But they can’t reach me , us corporations that block US gdpr legislation year after year - they want to use my data and fuck me over
fuck the CIA and fuck PRISIM
With u on this sentiment
They made it very hard to install roms.
There is this orange warning on boot.
Then banking apps don’t work.
With a rooted phone you can install Zygisk (magisk + zygote) and then a bunch of modules that simulate system integrity.
What you need are “play integrity fix” and “playcurl_NEXT”.
The first module lets you bypass the google play integrity check, the second one will download updated integrity fingerprint files every 5 minutes to ensure that the bypass never fails.
If you know how to install custom ROMs, this part is not a big challenge.
Thank you. Yeah I was aware that there is magysk. Problem is - it’s becoming too many hacks to deal with. And I bet it probably breaks from time to time and one has to hack/fix it again?
Even pixel or Fairphone is fairly free of bloatware compared to Samsung and shitty Chinese brands as long as you are not privacy paranoid about Google services.
I am privacy paranoid.
And that’s fine, but first people like you (and me to some extent) are in the vast minority and that’s also not an issue of bloatware per se.
yeah the only problem is that i have to participate in this hellhole capitalist society. Im trying to figure out what the best VPN is to use, along side if tor is worth using.
That’s true. Graphene is majorly Pixel limited, I guess. And even Lineage has a small set of devices when one considers the nos of OEMs and variants they manufacture per year.
For the same reason we have every fucking other problem in the world right now.
Capitalism.
You cannot align incentives towards growing the wealth of a microscopic yet astronomically lecherous group of monsters and expect society to not just crumble under the weight.
Basically, because we don’t own our devices. We are allowed to use our devices by the good graces of the manufacturers that charge a premium for them.
This really needs to change. I remember the preinstalled app antitrust suit(s) in the early 00s. Those need to happen again, but likely the EU will have to as the US is entering a dark age, and the US will continue to have inferior everything to the rest of the world for the foreseeable future.
It’s called enshitification. Deshitification isn’t so much a thing.
What’s sad is how true this is. Companies enshitify once they have a solid hold on the market. But if they start to slip in numbers, do they ever deshitify to regain trust and users? Fuck no, they triple down on the enshitification to make one last cash grab as they prepare to abandon ship with life preservers full of bonuses for themselves
Is it really enshitification if it was like this from essentially the start?
Outside of like literally the very first few android phones when there wasn’t even apps for the platform, they came bundled with all sorts of shit. I remember my HTC from 2010 drove me insane with the junkware bundled in, and that was about 2 years post Android’s first phone. We’re at like more or less steady state shitification. (varies by phone/brand)
I used to buy my phones with a specific eye towards avoiding bloat. It was still possible to avoid most of it 8-10 years ago, but not anymore.
This is a wild take for me. I had bloatware on my dumbphone. Hell, the old nokia phones had app/ringtone dlc bullshit in them too. My old palm pilot had bloatware. Where did you get a phone without it?
Not without it, just a lot less. 1plus used to be not too bad. Not like today where dozens of apps come with everything.
Because it’s profitable to include.
Why would companies care as much about the minor brand value decrease in the eyes of more technical users when they can make more money right now by making things shittier?
This is most prevalent on androids, even stock pixel. As much as I like to shit on apple, they have less bloat on your phone. Of course whatever native app you have on there, you wouldn’t able to delete, whereas on android you could delete it if you really wanted to.
Most people aren’t - they’ve given up the fight.
Facebook, Netflix and Spotify are bloatware.
IMO all google and manufacturer apps are too, they should be optional during install.
Because people keep buying Xiaomi and Samsung shit that’s loaded with crap (at least over here, I understand this varies massively by region).
At least Samsung phones are only bloated with Samsung apps, which in most part you can uninstall or disable. Although it’s still fucking stupid that when you buy a new phone you need to do a lot of maintenance just to make your phone work as it should, and not slow down because of shitty apps.
my samsung phone had tiktok on install
Many budget phones get paid money to install other apps by default, this can be useful for you so you get more hardware for the money
This is a S21 Ultra, bought for $1000+ at launch.
Nvm
My Samsung tablet had a lot of non Samsung apps, some even duplicating Samsung ones.
I disabled no less than 10, there are other 10 I can’t
i buy samsung cause parts aka easier to source parts.
fixing phones is the biggest scam ever. once you open the phone you are always going to have problems with the phone. they are not made to be opened and repaired.
As much as I hate this saying, it sounds like a skill issue
I’ve done repairs on all my phones. New buttons, screens, batteries, ports, etc. I’ve never caused an unforeseen new issue by doing so.
Its not so much a skill issue, more so phone repair stores are the scams. they break stuff that wasn’t broken in the first place and get you to come back with the that issue or say it was also broken. Source: used to work in the phone repair industry and knew people who did this on the regular and is a standard.
I mind the Google crap more than I mind the Samsung stuff. At least Samsung’s browser supports ad blockers since ages. That Chrome POS is just useless.
Base Android is also loaded with crap, directly from Google. Android is the worse mobile operating system, with the exception of all the others.
I guess we just have a simple task - to make sure that all android phones are running base android.
How do u propose that could be done?Base Android (AOSP) is not, what you probably mean is Google Android.
Look at GrapheneOS, that is a usable, privacy-focused Android without bloat.
Almost none of the devices are shipped with anything but Google’s Android, and manufacturers don’t provide you alternative versions of Android
Yes, Google owns Android as a whole, but (almost?) every single OEM customizes Android for their purposes. That is not the same thing.
It works on pixels only, I don’t trust Google hardware
There are many other custom ROMs that don’t need pixel. Try LineageOS.
I’ve used it for many years. Lineageos is a largest rom sure .
The issue is that google fucks with base android more and more. Now they made it that there is that yellow logo on boot - your android is insecure. Then banking apps are not working.Updating from android to android on lineage was a chore on oneplus 8t.
And I ended up not being able to rollback to stock because I wanted to trade in for A new model.It just makes it harder to use roms.
You ain’t wrong but it is currently the gold standard
You ain’t getting away from glowies, but at least corporate marketing trash can’t track you that easily
you can argue that iphones and pixel phones etc… have bloatware/spyware/malware as well.
'Cos capitalism.
Because we let them.
Business people don’t care what you want. They care exclusively about what they have to to do get you to accept what they want.
Money makes everything possible
Because it’s profitable.
