If people keep using cars as weapons, soon we’ll have to treat them like guns, and not regulate them in any meaningful way.
40,000 people a year are killed by drivers in cars. Many of them are pedestrians. Generally, as long as the driver isn’t intoxicated, the death is chalked up as an unavoidable accident. That’s what we have here. The man just didn’t see the cop. His eyes were filled with tears and he was distracted. Such a tragedy the pig is dead. Give the grieving father a ticket for careless driving and a few points on his license that will go away in a couple of years. That’s what would happen if it was one of us. #ACAB #FuckCars
Our fucking country, where the life of a car is worth more than the life of a human. ACAB.
Huh? The kid stole a car and was fleeing and armed with a loaded gun.
It’s America, everyone has a gun. It’s a constitutional right, not an excuse for cops to murder whomever they want to. They usually want to kill people of color and always want to kill poor people.
Fleeing seems like the operative word in that sentence to me.
For clarities sake, there is body cam footage where it alleges he points the gun at the officer while fleeing.
Now I haven’t seen the footage that corroborates this and the footage I did see doesn’t back this statement up (nor does it exclude it, it’s from the POV of another officer)
However the dad apparently left viewing the body cam footage with their lawyer and then went and did this.
I’d expect the body cam footage to show anyone who isn’t a cop that he was running and had a gun in his possession and it likely doesn’t matter from the perspective of the cops if it was actually pointed at him or not.
Basically my bet is the body cam footage corroborates whichever side of the story your want it to.
The outcome of guns is shots fired and folks dead, unfortunately.
Police better keep an eye on mom and any other siblings, as bad decisions clearly run in that family…
Edit: I’m just going to assume the 20 downvoters didn’t actually bother to read the article 🤷♂️
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This is the kind of thing people do when they fully believe that there is no path to justice. If we ever held cops accountable, this wouldn’t have happened.
Everyone exploding at this, but this headline seems written to stir controversy, and people don’t seem to be reading the article.
Two key facts:
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It’s reported that the 18 year old who was shot and killed was pointing a firearm with an extended magazine at officers when he was shot (though yes, he was running away, so yes, it could have been handled better, but there are thousands of more cut and dry cases to be mad about).
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The deputy who was killed may have absolutely nothing to do with what happened
You’re saying key facts, but there’s no proof at this time that he was aiming a gun at the cops. The article makes that very clear. That has not been established at all. There’s nothing that proves he even had a weapon. That’s a claim the police made. But has not been proven. You should never ever take police statements as fact. Particularly when they so obviously have motive not to be truthful.
There is body cam footage of the event.
The family has already reviewed it.
There’s been no statement that he wasn’t carrying a gun from the family.
Uh, the dad made a statement of sorts.
Are you stupid enough to think that he absolutely had a gun just because they made no statement either way? Their son was just murdered you asshat.
I’m smart enough to know that there is body camera footage of the incident and the family has already seen it and I similarly know that with the climate in the USA if the footage showed no gun and nothing to support the officers beliefs then we’d already be fucking rioting.
Making shit up without having evidence is tantamount to lying. It’s disinformation regardless of if it fits your world view.
You have implied throughout this thread that no statement from the family means he had a gun. That is also a bullshit lying accusation.
Oh my god this is insanity.
The police claim he had a gun, they claim he pointed it and that was the impetus.
The family has not refuted this claim. Maybe they will, they haven’t yet.
As it stands this is what we KNOW.
Making claims one way or the other without any credible evidence is called making shit up.
I’m not making anything up by pointing out that your claim is pulled out of the air, that’s all it is. The family hasn’t said he didn’t have a gun, the cops say he did. People in this thread do not know one way or the other so making claims is ridiculous.
key facts:
“reported that” “may have”
The second point, I don’t really mind. If you cause your department to be viewed with hatred, you’re responsible for your “brothers” dying. If they want to avoid this they should try to rehabilitate their image. Until then, they should view everything they do as effecting all of their fellow officers.
I dunno. I’m American, and I sure don’t want the world blaming me for what trump is doing. But I do share your frustration in general.
Trust me that will always be part of your person in the eyes if others and has been for quite some time now.
It took decades for Germans to not be immediately seen as Nazis in other European countries even when the Germans were obviously born after WW2. And to this day one of the first things you get to hear is something related to WW2, today mostly by non-europeans.
I don’t want them to blame me, but I also will not hold it against them if they do. It’ll be understandable, but maybe not perfectly accurate.
However, these officers are in a different situation than that. They’re choosing to work as cops and with the person who caused this. I’m sure they’d fight to protect them if it comes to it, so if they get part of the punishment that’s fine. They need to learn they can’t do what they’re doing, and they aren’t going to learn by us asking nicely. They need to face consequences of some form, and the legal system isn’t handling it.
Key “facts” about your “key facts”:
The cop that shot him CLAIMS the kid pointed the gun at him, but the video evidence contradicts that. In fact, he was prompted to shoot the moment he exited his vehicle by other cops hollering “He’s got a gun!” He relied on their statements, not his own experience of seeing the gun.
The fact that the kid had a gun is automatically in dispute. ALL cops have throwaway guns to be used in exactly this sort of a case. The video does not show him with a gun, but one was on him when he was found? Highly suspicious.
This kid stole a car, which was recovered. That is not a death penalty situation. Nobody should be murdered over an insured car.
Key fact: the family has not claimed that he wasn’t carrying a gun, and has viewed the body cam footage.
So?
… so if my son was murdered by police who claimed that he was pointing a gun at them and then I saw footage that proves that u would use my words and tell the whole fucking world.
You’re speculating that maybe they planted a gun.
There is body camera footage that shows the event and notably family members who have watched it have not made that claim.
Only you are making that claim.
You don’t know that they haven’t made that claim, just that the media hasnt reported it. Local media tend to be very pro-local police.
Besides, thats not the point. The cop who shot him claims he saw the kid point a gun at him, even though he was on the scene for only seconds before firing. I’ve seen the bodycam footage, and the kid was running, not aiming. That cop wasn’t responding to the kid pointing the gun, he was responding to the other cops hollering that he had a gun, and he just started firing at a running suspect.
Bottom line: the kid stole an insured car, which was recovered. There was no reason to be killing anyone over that.
I got it, you’re outraged and speculating and don’t care about knowing what happened.
You just want to push your narrative and fit the story to that.
You won’t find an ally of the police in me but people who project misinformation just to fit their world view are awful too
I really don’t think either of those facts mattered to dad. I think what matters is the reality that police are so rarely held accountable in even those cut and dry cases that there is no perception of justice at all.
“Things police claim” =|= “Facts”
In fact, more often than not, things cops claim are lies. Because they are trained to lie about everything.
You think you’re being reasonable, but you’ve got rose tinted glasses on
Coppers should be taught de-escalation, but rarely are, especially in the USA based on what I see.
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Apparently qualified immunity doesn’t make you immune to bumpers.
Make cops ground beef again
Wouldn’t they be ground pork?
PORK AND BEANS
“Let me be very direct: We cannot allow individuals to flee from officers with a loaded firearm aimed at them,” she said. “When this happens, the outcome is almost always tragic. No one wins, and everyone involved is affected.”
Absolutely disgusting mindset for the police to operate in and it should be a condemnation of them, not an excuse for killing a fleeing person merely suspected of committing a property crime.
Armed gang murders member of the public (with the full intention of “investigating” themselves and finding they did nothing wrong), is shocked that public would kill one of their own, and expects the public to shed tears for their fellow gang member (who was really a great guy… every other gang member loved him).
so the kid, unarmed, was shot in the back because he didn’t submit?
The kid was armed and pointing it at the cops.
But he also wasn’t shooting at them, he was running away. In that scenario, you don’t shoot him, because even if he starts shooting he ain’t gonna hit shit.
Don’t state that as fact. It’s just what the cops have claimed so far, and they lie constantly
Never pull a gun if you arent prepared to use it.
I’m sorry, but you don’t think the police should shoot at him if he’s running because …… he will have bad aim? No, the second someone starts firing at police - or anyone for that matter - they should be put down.
His point was you don’t fire wildly when you don’t know what you’re aiming at. Cops routinely hurt other people because they don’t care about what’s in their field of Fire. Also very important to note no one said anything about anyone firing on the police. You’re adding that.
Police claim “kid was armed and pointing it at the cops.” Cops are famous for making up bullshit to justify their murders after the fact.
cops are trained to shout “he’s got a gun” after opening fire regardless because eyewitnesses won’t remember the order of events and back them up
Even if that was true, though, it doesn’t justify it.
True, but cops think it does.
I try to go to the gun range every two months or so. I can tell you, with adrenaline and panic, idk if I’d hit 50% and thats standing still. Which is scary because who knows what you’ll hit. That’s why I go to the range, to be good enough. Running I wouldn’t even bother shooting.
Cops are definitely not going to the range enough.
2019 Miramar shootout(the florida UPS shootout)
In 2024, important details were finally revealed, a total of 20 officers from 4 different agencies fired upwards of 221 bullets in a span of 25 seconds, Hill was struck 40 times, meanwhile Alexander shot himself, Ordonez was struck 12 times, and the 5 bullets that stayed in his body were all traced to police weapons, and Cutshaw was struck once in the back of the head, which was also traced back to police.
Four people were killed in the shootout. Both robbery suspects, Lamar Alexander, and Ronnie Jerome Hill, both 41, were killed by police. The hijacked UPS driver, Frank Ordonez, 27, and bystander Richard Cutshaw, 70, were also both killed in the shootout;[6] A female store employee was shot and wounded in the initial robbery.
This was a very confusing headline. It sounded like they were charging a dead person.
Bottom line is:
- 18 year old gets shot by police
- The father of the 18 year old hit and killed a deputy with his car later on.
Hopefully he got the one who killed his son?
Dunno, they haven’t released the identity of the “victim” so we don’t know who the driver killed.
I’m not going to go so far as to condone this dad’s behavior, but I can definitely understand it. Police are never held accountable; what else is there to expect than the spread of vigilante violence if the law won’t give us justice?
Even if the deputy that was hit didn’t pull the trigger, they’re part of the institution that’s the problem. So the logic of the dad to target a deputy, even if they aren’t the one that shit his kid, makes sense in a way. I’m sure eventually we’ll know if this deputy was the one who killed the father’s 18 year old son.
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ACAB after all. Even if he didn’t fire, they enable and protect each others murder of civilians, and their pet dogs.
Why can’t some headline writers use comas?
Father of, 18 year old fatally shot by Ohio police, charged with hitting and killing deputy, with car
Whoever taught you how to use commas needs their teaching license revoked because that is probably the worst attempted use of commas I’ve ever seen.
There is a whole part of journalism dedicated to writing headlines, and I can tell you it’s some of the most fucked up literally rules I have seen in my life.
That is not at all how you use commas. You’ve broken your clauses.
Father of 18 year old, fatally shot by Ohio police, charged with hitting and killing deputy with car.
That would be correct. Good ACT question lol.
While your certainly sounds better with the word choice in the headline, it doesn’t reflect the actual facts of events.
“Father of an 18 year old,” establishes the father as the subject, and the 18 year old as a specifying factor. So the the rest of the sentence states, it was the father who was “fatally shot by Ohio police” and “charged with hitting and killing deputy”. It’s still unclear if it was the father or the deputy who was “with car”.
Where as my commas separate the facts accurately. Their strangeness comes from the extremely poor word choice and order of facts in the headline.
“Father of,” establishes the father as the subject. “18 year old fatally shot by Ohio police,” is together a single specifier. “charged with hitting and killing deputy,” states what happened to the father. And finally “, with car” is what the father used, to hit and kill the deputy.
“Father of,” establishes the father as the subject. “18 year old fatally shot by Ohio police,”
No. The subject is the father yes, but you can’t cut off the “of” that way.
But using those words you’d have to, to establish that it isn’t actually the father who was shot, but the 18 year old.
The terrible use commas comes from the terrible word choice. Rewriting the entire sentence would be the best option.
Damn, I know everyone else said it too but honestly wtf is this travesty you’ve written. It’s an affront to the comma and maybe to punctuation everywhere. Hell, your “correction” might be an ungodly abomination born of the netherworld sent to break our poor brains.
Have you ever used a comma before
Yah. Just used it 3 times.
“Today I choose violence” punctuation edition.
That is arguably worse
Calm your shit Shatner
Going into a coma does not make you a better journalist, and neither does having a stroke
Headlines aren’t usually written by journalists.
Especially at big shops like this.And I hate golf.
Don’t call me Shirley!
This reminds me of that chapter in Flowers for Algernon.
- Bunch of fucking tweakers doing tweaker shit and the cops have to chase them.
edit: yeah, ACAB but you motherfuckers do know that there is a subset of people out there doing crimes like car theft and shit, right? The citizens in this case don’t seem to be all that upstanding.
One dead dude, one dead pig. Call it even?
Which is a valid reason to use lethal force?
Yes, for the father to use lethal force on the corrupt racist deputy is a totally valid reason.
If he had done in the cop that shot his son I’d be more inclined to agree. But he picked a rando. ACAB but not all of them deserve death because not all of them shoot people for little to no reason.
Cops who shoot people who aren’t shooting at them and who haven’t been involved in a violent crime deserve to die too.
Hey, that cop just became a good cop.
The guy should get off scott free due to Qualified Immunity. Just like the cops.
The cop was armed and was already known to shoot someone in the back, the father was afraid for his life and had to make a split second decision.
That cop was no angel
scott free
scot free
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Destroy the Pigs.
